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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    23 hours ago, gerwin said:

    Edit for completeness: OS Windows XP SP3 x86. Driver 344.75. The card is a Gigabyte one with 2GB GDDR5 memory.

    looking at Gigabyte GT 710 2GD5 images on google, it seems to have a fan on heatsink. so it is an advantage in this case. ASUS card i have has slimmer heatsink and passive cooling.

    ASUS GT 710 2GD5 SL BRK > passive cooling - single slot size heatsink (terrible thermals in my sff case)

    ASUS GT 730 2GD5 SL BRK > passive cooling - double slot size heatsink (reasonable thermals in my same sff case)

    i believe your Gigabyte card is either double slot size card or using a fan.

    well looking at Lian-Li micro-ATX case images, it has pretty space for components and airflow.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

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    13 hours ago, gerwin said:

    I only have time for a brief test this week. I get 53 degrees C. After 20 minutes on Desktop with GPU-Z render test running that whole time. It is a fanless GT 710 in a small case. Light duty GPU temperature was 25 degrees C. See Image.

    Edit for completeness: OS Windows XP SP3 x86. Driver 344.75. The card is a Gigabyte one with 2GB GDDR5 memory.

    it must be ATX case with good airflow.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    well my pc case is old core 2 duo SFF lenovo thinkcentre A/M57 : https://www.newegg.com/lenovo-m57-business-desktops-workstations/p/N82E16883798350

    it doesnt have good airflow considering there is only oddly positioned 1x 80mm cpu fan and psu fan.

    since GT 710 has overheating problem, i am using GT 730 nowadays (https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/asus/gt730-sl-2gd5-brk/). it has double-slot sized thicker heatsink but still passive cooling. i am getting 28-35C idle temps and max 70C on gaming with GT730.

    so you say overheating problem with GT 710 is normal while gaming? but i am playing old XP games only. i know these cards are not gamer cards but games i play shouldnt be so demanding.

    another example, before this core2duo case, i was using GT 710 on my other SFF lenovo thinkcentre M92p model (3rd gen i5). it is slightly bigger, more space and airflow with extra 80mm exhaust fan. i was getting 25-30C idle temps, and around 60-65C on load. still i cant get why there are too much heat difference between 2 cases.

    now my only concern is heat except driver issue with my GT 710.

    only reason i insist using GT 710 is the core2duo sff pc i got recently to make it XP gaming machine for old games. I know standard ATX case would be much better for airlow and card selection but I like small form factor more.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    Overheating is the problem now regardless of driver :/

    I again put new thermal paste, a bit thicker than earlier this time but still card is damn heating too much after several minutes game play. Over 80C even 90C. When I touch the heatsink, it is burning my fingers. This is not good.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    6 hours ago, Dixel said:

    Like I said, the revision B1 always runs hotter. Besides, you could simply get a a bad ASIC quality card.

    over 90C is the max limit,  I think at 95 it should throttle down and reboot to try to save itself.

    Yea but it is still poor card and low-profile, i would expect 710 runs cooler. reaching over 90C doesnt make sense at all. and NFS most wanted is not demanding game. it doesnt even support HD resolutions.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    6 hours ago, Dixel said:

    This driver will not crash, it's known to be stable with old cards/systems/boards.

    iCafe 347.26 driver didnt crash with GT 710, but crashed GT 730 (which is natively supported). I believe 344.75 might be most stable driver for both.

    I dont know why GT 710 is heating that much. it is weaker card comparing GT 730. while GT 730 getting hardly over 70C by heavy use (gaming), GT 710 jumps over 90C. I already replaced thermal paste. Maybe it is using more resource to be able handle graphics - struggling and heating the chip more than GT 730.

     

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    1 hour ago, j7n said:

    How much memory do you have committed in Task Manager when the game has been played for a long time? I'm not familiar with the RAM reading that this OSD gives, if it is the total including driver memory.

    For Most Wanted you can lighten the load by turning down some settings, like the shadows and the orange tint (it still remains plenty brown with it off).

    If the card is fanless, it might not be usable at full load in Summer. I previously had a GT 610, and it overheated and crashed after a long chase with the cops (aaargh). But it also had a higher power consumption being a previous generation model.

    Don't you need CUDA to watch videos with GPU decoding? I think what the program reports is a small missing DLL. The bulk of the CUDA stuff is still there. I no longer use WinXP, so I can't check what the name of it was.

    what OSD shows is correct, around 1.2GB ram (total ram is 4GB DDR2 in the pc). I already lowered some settings in the game such as no Anti-Aliasing. but other details are full. game resolution is 1024x768 even monitor resolution is 1680x1050.

    Dont know much about CUDA, isnt it automatically managed by GPU? when i use non-supported (modded) drivers, GPU-Z doesnt show CUDA enabled. dont know why.

    and it is not summer yet. Room temp is around 21-22.

    i replaced thermal paste (Arctic MX-4) on GT710 few weeks ago, dont know why it is overheating that much. what temps others experiencing?

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    52 minutes ago, Dixel said:

    No problem, ask if you have any further questions.

    Now installed iCafe driver - 347.26-espresso-icafe-winxp-international.exe

    GPU-Z shows OpenGL version 4.5

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    3dmark2001se, didnt cause any freeze issue at 1st test. but needs more testing.

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    EDIT: terrible high temps while gaming :

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    EDIT2: ran 3dmark2001se benchmark 2nd time, no freeze at all. still need more time to be sure. But high GPU temps are concerning.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

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    7 minutes ago, Dixel said:

    It's because there are two different variants of GT 710.

    Which one is mine? afaik it is Kepler.

    According to Device Manager, device id is "PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1\4&2E5EAC9&0&0008"

    According to GPU-Z, device id is "10DE 128B - 1043 85E7"

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    58 minutes ago, gerwin said:

    "unlike GT 710" with a newer driver you mean?

    yes, apparently non of the official supported drivers work for GT 710. as I said, i need to test more with modded v344.75.

    idle temps for GT 710 is around 54-55C, while benchmarking and gaming it jumps over 80C.

    GT 730 idle temps were like 30-35C and max around 70C. (maybe because GT 730 is using thicker heatsink)

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

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    I have been using GT 730 with v344.75 for a while with same PC and it is doing very stable unlike GT 710. Games I tested and 3dmark2001se are not so power hungry softwares i guess. GT 730 with latest drivers such as v368.81 also caused freeze issue but has been very stable with v344.75.

    I dont know what else test I can do with PC and GPU health.

    I can say (except OpenGL showing 4.4 instead of 4.5 and not showing some other features on GPU-Z comparing native supported drivers) seems modified v344.75 is stable with GT 710. But need to run it for some days for more experience.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    14 hours ago, modnar said:

    @MinimumAttic410: The first (most important file) is nv4_dispi.inf, but there are 45 of them (to cover all use cases).

    Here is the .7z package of all of 368.81 inf's (just copy them into your upacked driver directory: Display.Driver) with version changed from 10.18.13.6881 to 6.14.13.6881 (only version has been changed, nothing else).

    368-81_xp-last_v6-14.7z 58.88 kB · 1 download

    Ok I installed back v368.81 with 45 edited inf files, 3dmark2001se finalized benchmark without freeze issue but need to test more. it doesnt always freeze at first tests. Score: 40818 (better than v344.75)

    my results:

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    EDIT: Just installed NFS Most Wanted, while launching game nv4 display driver stopped responding, freezed, had to hard reset the pc.

    EDIT2: This time I turned off MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner (latest version) and launched NFS Most wanted and played fine but while benchmarking 2nd time with 3dmark2001 freezed again. seems modified v368.81 is not good either.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    15 hours ago, ED_Sln said:

    Also try replacing in inf not the first ID you get, but from another 710, maybe that also affects what will be installed.

    According to Device Manager, device id is "PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1\4&2E5EAC9&0&0008"

    According to GPU-Z, device id is "10DE 128B - 1043 85E7"

    What i used in nvaci.inf in v344.75 :

    %NVIDIA_DEV.128B% = Section001, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1

    and

    NVIDIA_DEV.128B = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 710

    what could be correct line(s) for my exact device id?

    NOTE: attached nvaci.inf is based on 368.81 as an example. there only GT710 i see is > NVIDIA_DEV.1140.0841.1025 = "NVIDIA GeForce 710M"

    nvaci.inf

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

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    4 hours ago, gerwin said:

    I don't see how hardware PC health could be negatively affected. Not in general and not with this particular modification. If some essential part of the driver would be a mismatch with the hardware, then it would hang the system as soon as that mismatched code path was ran. Also, if people would have dying hardware because of such, it would be reported. My GT 710 system still runs fine.

    I mean, after all, v344.75 is not supported officially by nvidia for this specific card model. anyway other (later) drivers which are supposed to support are problematic too.. maybe lack of tests and poor driver config.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410
    typo

    11 hours ago, modnar said:

    @MinimumAttic410: The first (most important file) is nv4_dispi.inf, but there are 45 of them (to cover all use cases).

    Here is the .7z package of all of 368.81 inf's (just copy them into your upacked driver directory: Display.Driver) with version changed from 10.18.13.6881 to 6.14.13.6881 (only version has been changed, nothing else).

    368-81_xp-last_v6-14.7z 58.88 kB · 1 download

    Thank you! i didnt know all those .inf files need to be edited. Do you think this edit fixes freeze issue? I will test it and write my experiences here. it is really odd that non of the drivers working correctly and stable for GT 710 officially.. I think nvidia didnt care about winXP at all after releasing this card. but in other hand, GT 730 is working perfectly and better (at least 25% more performance) comparing GT710.

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    Geforce GT 710 cards under Windows XP, Findings

    in Windows XP

    Posted · Edited by MinimumAttic410

    I just installed driver v344.75 by adding device id into nvaci.inf file, installation went well and seems driver working. it scored 38518 on 3dmark2001se (i was expecting around 40k). But card appears as GT555M  not GT 710 in device manager and GPU-Z :

    nY7xhl3.png

    aKEce4z.png

    EDIT: ok had to add these 2 lines in "nvaci.info"  for correct device id : 

    [Manufacturer]
%NVIDIA% = NVIDIA_Devices,NTx86.5.1,NTx86.6.0

[NVIDIA_Devices.NTx86.5.1]
%NVIDIA_DEV.128B% = Section001, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1 	<--

...
...
...

[Strings]
DiskID1 = "NVIDIA Windows XP (32 bit) Driver Library Installation Disk 1"
NVIDIA = "NVIDIA"
NVIDIA_DEV.128B = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 710	<--

    But I realized that, after editing .inf file and installing v344.75, GPU-Z now shows OpenGL version 4.4, it was 4.5 earlier. and in new GPU-Z some features missing such as: Why?

    Computing line : OpenCL , CUDA

    Technology line: PysX

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    Question: is it safe to edit .inf file to add unofficial support to officially-not-supported driver for this card? (asking for hw-pc health, not for nvidia)

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