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Good to know, thanks for the heads up.

Update (10/1/21): So I tried installing Windows ME to see if the sleep issue resolved. It did not at first after a few reboots, but I then unplugged the front panel headers. (Also, at this point, after the computer went to sleep, powering up the computer did not output video and would require a restart.) After unplugging the headers, I got a prompt that said something to the likes of "Your computer has not resumed from hibernation several times. Do you want to disable hibernation mode?" After clicking yes at this prompt, the sleep issue went away. I have since performed a clean install of 98SE, replugged in the headers, and installed all the drivers I need and a couple games, and the issue has gone away. I don't know the cause of the issue, but unplugging the front panel headers, rebooting, and then replugging in the headers solved the issue. Strangely, in ME or 98SE, hibernation was never a setting in the power menu (only shut down, reboot, sleep were present). If the issue comes up again, I will post another update. Thanks for those who posted for the advice!

This was done on a fresh windows install as well where no drivers had been installed and the sleep issue still occurs

I'll try those two things when I have free time again, but if it were one of those two things I think the sleep issue would show up in Windows 2000 as well? To be fair, I imagine 98 would be more sensitive to stuff like seing as it gets upset much more easily.

Hi forum, Shortly after resolving the previous post I'd made about Nvidia driver issues, I began to experience the very odd issue of windows randomly going to sleep. Such behavior includes: System goes to sleep anywhere from as soon as the windows boot screen is cleared to a couple minutes after bootup (even on a fresh, unmodified install) When system wakes up, sometimes it's fine, sometimes it no longer outputs a display, and sometimes the system freezes Issue does not happen in safe mode Having tried to diagnose the issue for about 2-3 weeks now, I have tried the following (all of which has failed to resolve the issue): Reinstalling with ACPI disabled Reinstalling with ACPI enabled Replacing GPU thermal pads & thermal paste Replacing CPU thermal paste Removing all PCI cards, as well as removing only one at a time Unplugging all non-essential power draws (fans, external drives) Disabling power management (APM) in BIOS Enabling only S1 or S3 sleep one at a time Switching memory configuration and # of sticks (i.e. testing system with only one stick of memory in, switching memory slots occupied) Disabling all devices in BIOS other than hard drive and AGP slot Uninstalling and reinstalling "System" drivers Disabling sleep in Power Management Disabling ACPI devices in device manager one at a time (ACPI Sleep Button, etc.) Performing step-by-step configuration bootup, disabling all drivers and features not essential to startup Installing official chipset drivers known to work with 9x Other than safe mode, this is the one step-by-step configuration that always resolves the sleep issue: Process the system registry? [Y] Create a startup log file (BOOTLOG.TXT)? [Y] Process your startup device drivers (CONFIG.SYS)? [Y] DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEN.SYS ? [Y] DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\DBLBUFF.SYS ? [Y] DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS ? [Y] Load the Windows graphical user inferface? [Y] Load all Windows drivers? [N] Interestingly enough, I had a similar issue of the system randomly sleeping on my Windows 2000 install (an install on a separate SATA drive). After wiping the drive and a clean install (with no bios settings changed), it no longer experiences the sleep issue. On this working install, I have ran PCMark04 and 3DMark03 to see if the sleep issue is thermal related, but GPU-Z and HWMonitor returned normal values, as in there were no high temperature readings that would suggest Windows 98 is sleeping due to heat issues. I have even run the same version of HWMonitor on 98, and it also did not return high thermal readings. I would like to note that this issue began after installing the drivers to my ethernet card and removing a wireless network card who's drivers never loaded correctly. But correlation does not equal causation....... If anyone could offer any advice, I would greatly appreciate it. Fixing this issue has taking up more or less my entire free time these last couple of weeks. I also have limited disposable income, so I don't have the flexibility to just buy new components and see if the issue goes away. System specs: AMD Athlon 4000+ Asus A8V-X Geforce 6800 GT AGP 1GB Corsair DDR400 RAM 40GB IDE Samsung Spinpoint Hard Drive (for Windows 98) 160GB SATA Seagate Barracuda Hard Drive (for Windows 2000) Seasonic S12II 650W Power Supply

Sorry for not responding in a while, but in that windows install, I had indeed updated directx to the final release supported by windows 98 (october 2006 I believe).

Ok, so I have been comparing 61.76 and 77.72 for a couple hours. It seems 77.72 is the best driver revision for 9x compared to 61.76 and 81.96. I don't claim I was absolutely thorough in my testing, but from trying out the games I've had problems with, 77.72 is the best. All the glitches I mentioned in my original post when using 81.96 were not present when using 77.72 or 61.76. However, I had some strange occurrences with 61.76 where some programs such as 3DMark03 or Operation Flashpoint CWC would blue screen the computer when ran (yes, my copy of Cold War Crisis is a legit retail copy). I even had one time with 61.76 during testing where the system BSODed after startup in spite of no hardware or driver chances. So, if anyone is seeing this thread, I would recommend you use Nvidia 77.72 instead of 81.96 if you have a 6 series card in a 9x system.

Make sense, thanks for the response. I just got back from vacation, so I'll try out driver revision 77.72 (the last to mention 9x support in release documentation) and maybe 61.76 (first release to support 6800 gt) and I'll post here with the results.

Hello everyone, So I understand the issue of decreased performance with newer 9x Geforce drivers has been discussed before, but I hope that someone with a 6800 series card can help me with the issue of drivers. I'm currently running 81.98 drivers, and I've notice problems ranging from inexplicably poor frame rate, constant screen tear, misloaded textures, to games crashing claiming there is no free video memory. The current system I'm using dual boots to a separate windows 2000 hard drive, and none of these problems occur on that install. So, for anyone with experience, are the earlier driver revisions better? It seems the earliest driver to support 6800 series cards is 61.76. I've seen PhilsComputerLab's video showing a clear decrease in performance with newer drivers for earlier series cards, but is the same true for 6 series cards? If it helps, here's the specs of my current system: AMD Athlon 64 4000+ Asus A8V-X 1 GB DDR 400 RAM XFX Geforce 6800 GT AGP Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum eX Most games work well, but there are too many examples of strange glitches in other games to list here. Most glitches involve poor framerate or games refusing to start if the resolution is too high or some sort of problem with textures failing to load or game breaking screen tear even when v-sync is enabled (Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell is the worst for this)