Thank you Steve, thank you for your reply, laptop one is an E system with one 80gb hdd and dvd drive (with Vista pre installed), 2nd laptop is an old novatech one with same size drive and dvd, PC is an old amd 2Ghz with 2hdd's and dvd rom drive (no disk in drive), have tryed with WinSetupFromUSB software and it works ok Edit when i do the "List Disk Controller bit it comes up with Vendor=8086 Device=27DF SubVen=1584 SubDev=907B Class:SubClass=01:01 IDE Vendor=8086 Device=27C4 SubVen=1584 SubDev=907B Class:SubClass=01:01 IDE If that is of any help