Hi X, Thanks for that, finally after staring at the update folder the penny finally dropped and I could actually see all the KB updates looking back at me, dah (I was looking in the wrong folder). So I deleted those three files and downloaded and added the other three files, and yeah how simple could that have been. Now this is where my next bit of confusion starts and that is the IE8 creator. The file it created as I mentioned before is a 7z file, should that be unzipped and then placed in the update folder with all the rest, or does it just go in there as it is? Cheers, John