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Highly recommended. I have a third installation finally tailored to how I like and I've been using it for a few days now. I have SP2, another 214 post SP2 updates and IE 9 all integrated.
Wow, that's awesome!
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Okay. It's finally over. After about two months of consideration, research and planning, I made a final decision of what I'm planning to get. The specs that I provided are final and will not be changed anymore:
1. ZALMAN, Z9 U3 Black mid-tower Case w/window, ATX, Steel/Plastic
2. ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard with AM3+, AMD 970. Support for up to 32GB DDR3-2133 SDRAM, PCIe x16, SATA3, RAID support ATX
3. Quad-core AMD FX-4300 3.8 GHz - 4 GHz AM3+ 95 watt processor with 4MB L3 cache and support for up to DDR3-1866 SDRAM
4. Fractal Design Integra R2 500 watt power supply, 80 PLUS Bronze, 24-pin ATX12V v2.31 EPS12V, 1x 8/6-pin PCIe
5. Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO copper/aluminum CPU cooler, Socket 2011/1155/1156/1366/775/FM1/AM3/AM2 w/1 gram of thermal compound
6. Western Digital 1 TB WD Black (WD1003FZEX) 7200 RPM SATA3 hard drive w/64MB Cache
7. Crucial 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) Ballistix Sport PC3-12800 DDR3 1.6 GHz CL9 1.5V Non-ECC SDRAM DIMM
8. EVGA GeForce 8400 GS 520 MHz w/1 GB GDDR3 1.2 GHz w/VGA+DVI+HDMI, PCIe x16
9. Lite-on, iHAS124 Black 24x SATA DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner10. Sabrent CRW-UINB USB 2.0 internal card reader (eBay)
The cost of this custom built PC that I ordered was $630.95. The internal card reader off of eBay was $10.99. If you include the shipping and handling on al of this, then the final total amounts to $706.47.
If there are any issues arising, I will report it to the MSFN forms.
By the way, what are your thoughts on this final configuration? Do you think that it's all good to go?
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I've noticed that more and more driver companies are ditching Windows Vista.
I'm looking for Nvidia Geforce 710m driver for my notebook, but can't find it anywhere. The official Nvidia website only have Windows 7/8 drivers for 710m.
Are there any modded 710m drivers for Vista? Can I install an alternative driver?
Thanks in advance!
The NVIDIA GeForce 710m driver uses the GeForce 320.00 firmware, which is only compatibile with Windows 7 (SP1) or Windows 8.
It's obvious that you could be out of luck as the GPU came out after Microsoft ended Windows Vista OEM sales on 22 October 2011. Windows Vista is slowly suffering the same fate along with Windows XP...especially since it's marketshare is down to just 3.3%.
I further suspect that drivers for Windows 7 may no longer be tested or available after Microsoft ends Windows 7 OEM sales later this year.
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They will, but it isn't long before one of the unofficial geeks on this site create a patch. In fact, all it takes to fix the problem is to make Windows use the Intel HT scheduler, so the cores are scheduled in a way that shared cache can be cleared.
I can't wait for a unofficial patch to come out for Windows Vista on the AMD FX processor soon!
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There was a hotfix made for Windows 7 to support the CPU, and Windows 8.x has it out of the box.
And since Windows XP nor Windows Vista are getting the hotfix, I bet that these OSes will function as-is without the hotfix, true?
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It should work for the most part I guess, but you might have to do this on some apps that don't use all cores.
That is, until you can get a hotfix for Vista up and running
I doubt you'd have to do it as much on the FX-4300 though, it's really only for the 6-core and 8 core
Thanks so much for the help. I can't wait to get the new PC and the Processor Affinity tool to control which executables should control one of the four cores.
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Thanks for the help. I'll look into vLite.
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Is there anyway to optimize the AMD FX scheduler in Windows Vista like a hotfix did in WIndows 7? I need Windows Vista to take priority of cores 1, 3, 5, 7 instead of cores 2, 4, 6, 8., just like how the hotfix does it in Windows 7.
Is it also possible to make the hotfix compatible with Windows Vista?
I don't know if it's possibler to make the hotfix compatible with Windows Vista or not. But other than that, Windows Vista will run on the AMD FX processor even though they don't fully support it and there are chances that you may run into some performace issues. I'm going for the quad-core AMD FX-4300 and I sure hope that Windows Vista SP2 will work with the new motherboard without any major problems.
The last time Windows Vista was sold legally and only as a pre-loaded OS was on 22 October 2011. Since that date, OEM system builders were no longer permitted to pre-load Windows Vista on new computers which is the reason why vendors were no longer allowed to test Windows Vista installations on a computer with a motherboard that has a AMD FX-based processor. The only way Vista can be tested is by the end user who installs Windows Vista.
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The reason why they are not fully supported is because they were released after the development phase of that OS. The FX chips are even newer than win7, hence why even win7's scheduler doesn't fully support it. Microsoft is not interested in adding support for those OSes because they want us to buy windows 8.
And yes, a quadcore is more than enough.
True. The AMD FX-4300 processor was released on 23 October 2012, three days before Windows 8 was even publicly released. I honestly can't believe that Microsoft is only using the AMD FX processor to only fully support Windows 8.
And since the AMD FX is fast enough, I would TOTALLY avoid the AMD Kabini APUs.
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I personally installed vista sp2 on my newest PC: 2500K CPU, 16 GB of ram, Asus p67 deluxe motherboard, Intel 60 GB SSD back in 2011 with no problems whatsoever! I slipstreamed sp2 into my vista sp1 DVD using VLite and it ran like a champ. Please note that the sp1 was also slipstreamed into my original vista business DVD. The only problem I had was that hibernation was disabled and could only be enabled using the command line (but not advisable because I used a SSD as system drive).
Good for you! Because the DVDs that I have are the original Windows Vista RTM versions, I will need to get the DVD slipstreamed with SP2 in order for it to work on the AMD FX based M5A97 R2.0 motherboard.
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Wait... so it won't boot at all with more than 2GB installed? Doesn't it just ignore the amount of RAM it doesn't recognize, just like XP did?
The point is that with the original Windows Vista RTM DVDs, Windows Vista will most likely BSOD with a STOP 0x0A error due to the bug associated with 3 GB or more memory. In order to get around this, Windows Vista SP1 would need to be slipstreamed.
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As for the original CDs that are still around, I agree. Windows Vista RTM (without any fixes incorporated to the DVD) won't even run properly, if not at all on modern hardware and on computers with more than 2 GB RAM.
I find this strange, since Windows 2000 (2000) and Windows NT 4.0 (1996) recognize 4GB of RAM, DOUBLE what Windows Vista RTM (late 2006) will recognize.
So true. The same applies to Windows XP on some modern motherboards whose support is still increasingly limited.
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even if I despise what vista became as final product
I'd never use RTM, not even SP1, SP2 would be my only choice as many things are fixed and tweaked with SP2
so while you're determined to use Vista, why not slipstream SP2 init and solve your miseries
also some things like Platform Update was released after SP2 (I think), should slipstream that thing too
I will do that...that is only if I can find a way to slipstream SP2 and get it to work on the new computer.
As for the original CDs that are still around, I agree. Windows Vista RTM (without any fixes incorporated to the DVD) won't even run properly, if not at all on modern hardware and on computers with more than 2 GB RAM.
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I might be late, but:
It's a fact the FX architecture is not fully supported on vista and only barely better on win7. They would be throwing away performance running an FX on vista, so why spend more money? It's like buying 8GB RAM and running a 32Bit systemVista runs good on FXs
ppgrainbow, do you have any use for those 8 threads? Only few programs actually scale that well with so many threads, if you don't do video encoding, it's not worth it. Don't get blinded by numbers.
A Phenom II X4 (or X6), if you go the AMD route, is the better choice for the majority of people, especially if you are running vista. The sad thing is that the FX chips didn't really improved single threaded performance by much compared to the Phenom IIs, and this is what actually counts most of the time, still.
I don't think that having more than a quad-core processor is a good idea. Also, why is the AMD FX processor not fully supported on Windows XP, Windows Vista and the original release of Windows 7? As far as I know, the AMD Phenon II X6 and the 2nd generation Intel Core processors are believed to be the fastet processors that Windows Vista will fully support and run.
AMD's Kabini APUs, 3rd generation (and later; Ivy Bridge and Haswell) Intel Core processors will be incompatible with Windows XP or Vista at all as there are no drivers available: http://www.hitechreview.com/it-products/pc/amd%E2%80%99s-kabini-apus-won%E2%80%99t-run-windows-xp-windows-vista/42774/
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Well, the issue is that Turbo core is limited to 4 cores out of 8. It does slightly improve CPU perfromance, but only if the hotfix is on there. Yes, the M5A97 has an option to disable it.
You can Overclock your CPU to 200MHz (0.2GHz) over the original speed, and you'll get better perfromance than what ever Turbo core can give you.
I'll bet that since the CPU perforance improvement is lackluster, I'm disabling Turbo core once I get the M5A97 motherboard.
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You've probably solved this by now, but another way to approach this would be to bring the Vista installation up to date, and then add all the memory you want. I'm running Vista Home Premium with 8GB, no problem.
--JorgeA
Thanks for the help. In that perspective, to overcome the 3 GB limitation, I will have to get the OS slipstreamed with SP1 and SP2 respectively in order for it to work. Otherwise, I will have to start with 2 GB RAM, install Windows Vista, apply the service packs and then upgrade the RAM back to 8 GB.
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Yeah, I don't see why x64 Vista wouldn't support 8GB. It does on typical configs.
True that. However, without the KB929777 patch, Windows Vista may not install correctly as I may need to slipstream SP1 in order for it to work reliably.
I'll let you know how this will all turn out when I get the new PC.
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Vista runs good on FXs, if you disable turbo core.
As for power consumption and temps, My 8320 uses 94W on prime95 with max heat/power consumption setting. As for the temps, they never go above 54c.
Thank you for telling me. Can Turbo Core features be disabled in the UEFI BIOS on the M5A97 R2.0 motherboard?
Why doesn't Windows Vista work correctly with Turbo Core capabilities?
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the original Windows Vista x64 should also support 8GB.
Thanks for telling me. I appreciate it.
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Hey there! :wave: Incase you haven't already noticed, I won the unused retail copy of Windows Vista Ultimate DVD as a Christmas present and now I'm planning to abandon Windows 2000 and migrate to the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard soon.
Once the new computer has been built, it will have 8 GB of DDR3 RAM and can max out at 32 GB. However, looking at the contents of the 32-bit and 64-bit DVDs, I found that the date stamp on the files is 2006-11-02 12:00:00, meaning that it is the original release of Windows Vista (with no service packs installed).
If I want to install Windows Vista on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard, how can I do it with 8 GB of memory installed? Would I have to:
1. Downgrade the RAM to 2 GB and install Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit?
2. Slipstream Windows Vista Ultimate SP2 64-bit? I looked on this website regarding the instructions on slipstreaming Vista SP2 on a new computer, you can view it here: http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/230249-sliptream-vista-sp2.htmlHowever, I'm a bit confused about all of this...
I have concerns that I will most likely get hit with a STOP 0x0A error when attempting to install Windows Vista with more than 3 GB of memory.
Does anyone have any ideas how to get around this?
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you can also use a newer Intel i3/5 (Hasswell) with the integrated GPU if you don't do gaming. They use less power.
For the money you are going to spend I strongly believe an Intel based machine would be far more adequate. An i5 with an h87 motherboard and integrated graphics is going to use less power, put out less heat and be more powerful than an AMD based machine.
Thanks so much for telling me. I'll look up online for what other options that I can consider.
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should be ok.
Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.
However, due to a shortage of funding, I may have to hold this off until at least after the new year and consider other options.
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it works "ok", but not very good.
I've used a X4 with Vista, so you can try to get a X6
Well...here's what I've decided and what should be good to go with Windows Vista, just to be on the safe side. Here's a update on the specs:
1. NZXT Guardian 921 RB Black Mid-Tower Case w/blue LED, ATX
2. Fractal Design Integral R2 500W Power Supply, 80 PLUS® Bronze, 24-pin ATX12V v2.31 EPS12V, 1x 8/6-pin PCIe
3. ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0, AM3+, AMD® 970, DDR3-2133 (O.C.) 32GB /4, PCIe x16, SATA 6 Gb/s RAID 5 /6, USB 3.0 /2, HDA, GbLAN, ATX
4. AMD Phenom II X4, Socket AMD3 w/Phenom II X4 955 (4 x 3.2 GHz - 8 MB Cache)
5. Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler, Socket 2011/1155/1156/1366/775/FM1/AM3/AM2, 159mm Height, Copper/Aluminum
6. Cooler Master Thermal Compound, 1.0 g
7. Crucial 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) Ballistix Sport XT PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL9 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
8. EVGA GeForce® GT 610 810MHz, 1 GB DDR3 1000MHz, PCIe x16, HDMI + DVI + VGA
9. 2 x Western Digital 1TB WD Caviar® Blue (WD10EZEX), SATA 6[Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 64MB cache
10. Lite-on iHAS124 Black 24x DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner, SATA
11. Nippon Labs ICR-EE Black 1.44 MB Floppy Drive + All-in-One Card Reader Combo Drive, 3.5" Bay
12. Encore ENEWI-1XN42 Wireless N510 PCI-e Adapter, 2dbi Antenna
13. StarTech 2 Port PCI IDE Controller Adapter Card, two dual channel IDE conectors, four IDE devices, 28-bit LBA
I made some modifications regarding the computer specs and I'm closing in on finalising it. It seems that Portatech wasn't being specific on what type of brand of the components that I want here.
What do you think?
To try to reduce costs and power, I may replace the CRT monitor with a LCD/OLED monitor in the near future.
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the module concept is explained a bit here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_%28microarchitecture%29
and it was developed after Vista was released. Even Win7 has issues to efficiently work with the modules. MS released a fix to improve it, but not for Vista (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594/en-us). They are no real cores, so putting threads on the right modules is important.
Thanks for the help.
Even if there are no fixes for the AMD FX processors will Windows Vista still function okay even without the hotfix?
I've also heard that the Bulldozer CPU under Windows has been met with mixed results, especially since the FX 8150 was performing poorly in the benchmarks. Also, in late 2011, AMD admitted that their FX processors didn't meet up to expectations and in early 2012, there were lots of compatibility issues associated with the FX processor too.
Now, which multi-core processor would be better, btw? If you have any ideas, let me know.
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Is this computer configuration good for Windows Vista?
in Windows Vista
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Thanks for telling me. But since I finalised the configuration earlier, I'm settling with the quad-core.