thanks alot for the quick reply guys, CoffeeFiend, Ive used excel for two reasons really, the first being im doing this on a works laptop, which does not come with access installed standard, I can request it but it takes a few days to actually get it, after that other intercompany users will need to use this from time to time, if they have to go to the trouble of requesting software to do so it just wont be used, the second reason being that there will be new entries to go on every few days or so and for this ive created a VBA based user form for the previously mentioned intercompany users. the amount of data will most likely never exceed 4000 lines. jaclaz, that probably would have been a good thing to mention to begin with wouldnt it Im using 2007