I agree. Currently the XP SP3 update list has 64 critical, 1 Service Pack, 4 WMP11, 2 UNIX services and 12 Other for 83 total in the XP SP3 UL available. However, I have done a fresh install of XP Pro SP3 IE 8 WMP 10 followed by WMP11 dotNET 1, 1.1, 3.5 SP1 (which includes 2.0, 3.0 and 3.5) and 4.0 Then manually downloaded all the updates listed when I click the 'yellow shield' and choose Custom. I count 115 files, with about 5 of them being 'optional' (KB updates to XP, plus root cert authority and time zone DST updates; NOT including the 'optional' Live or Search updates). A couple of the