See this is why i am soo confused, i am just too dumb.. where you say myapps, should that be, start? runonceex?? what? edit :okie i see, i had already got the start.cmd file, so thats now understood, thanks 2nd edit: Okay i apoligise for the n00bish thinking, i seem to be getting a better understanding now.. its in the batchfile, start.cmd, that i am getting confused, as looking at peoples examples they are using different switches at the end of the file names, etc.. i would like to know, how i would find out what text i will enter to prompt the installation of my apps'