The beginning?? I don't know where to start.. I'm sure there's someone who has made a hugely cut down fileset with nothing but the bare win2k, made purely for internet and games.. There really is no windows dependences with the programs I run require.. @ Tommyp; Nlite seems messy with 2k, but i'll give it a try... Last time i tryed FDV with Nlite my install would randomly freeze. Can't explain it, annoying and i'm no where near talented enough to figure out what was wrong. Why can't the instructions be a bit more clear on FDV's site. Took me a long time to actually get things going reading the same paragraph over and over, to get it through my head. Then a few days later i come back and I'M STILL READING IT and discovering things, its a god **** maze i tell yas!