bledd: thanks i'll look into it I actually found another xplite when googling around, it was xplite rev 05 which i tested in vmware and it looked like a really tine install and with classic them (old w2k look) it onlu uses 45-50mb ram and with themes (which service had to be started manually) it still is about 50-60mb ram. Maybe i'll reinstall my comp uisng this