Peter, I did have all the H Fixes hopefully in the right folders,, that probably installed, it was manly the service pack that I was concerned about. I can't check it now because I re-imaged the test machine I was using, I'll have to burn another CD now with the files in the correct locations ( I hope) I can't wait until GM get's the commercal version up and running again .. so I can redue the whole thing automatically. Thanks again for all your help. DS.