Thanks very much for all the info. Turns out my date was wrong - how the year got set to 2018 is beyond me. So, the certificate problem is gone but IE still acts a bit funny, saying it can't load pages sometimes when the page is there. I don't get "Page cannot be displayed" but a popup error box. Strange. Anyway, I've got a bad feeling about these updates. The first one I tried at exuberant never restarted the machine like typical updates used to and IE6 crashed a lot. I'm no programmer but that seemed strange to me. I reinstalled SE then used AutoPatcher98 (which rebooted something like 1,242,223 times) and got what seemed like a massive load of stuff installed I don't think I need. Got a handy Network icon in the tray now, LOL. Is there any update package that is considered the most well put together, most basic? This OS will only be used when Linux fails to provide the app needed from time to time and for the occasional gaming spurt. No harm intended to the coders of these updates. I just feel like the packages try to do too much at one time, but they are a necessity we wouldn't have without the authors and this OS would be much 'deader' if it weren't for those guys.