Ok after spending all day doing the house work one both these mahines. And finding some viruses and bad files. All cleaned still get the same message when I try to uninstall the Office 2003 suite. " This patch package could not be opened. Verify that the patch package exits and that you can access it, or contact the application vendor to verify that this is a valid Windows Installer Patch Packet." Any clues. wacko.gif I am thinking of going into the regestry and deleting from there and the program but that is a pain and frought with danger I think