thanks for the advise, i had thought about corrupting the tcpip.sys file, i have come across some virus's that do the same thing and i havent been able to access the internet or a network with them, dont worry i wont put a virus on them ill use a hex editor or something similar. i tried removing all the network components and all related services but the nic installed and let me striaght on no probs, if we cant come up with a solution i will have to create a very limited account disable all i can in device manager and bios, but this is not the prefered way i would like to go, it would be too easy to get around, thanks for the help nathan