>>well did you bother reading my post right before yours? i personally hate wmp and will never use it, it cant even play half of the movies i have and its a major resource hog. - ripken204 << Well I love WMP!! It easy to install if it's not already unless you got x64 goof ball install like I did. It's got a great Gui, it looks nice, it's free, you can control it's Trojan horse tendencies, and it's well supported. In fact In your ripping it's arguably the best product to do it. FLAC? Monkey? LA are okay but where will the support be in 5 years when they like Baboon better? Meanwhile my WMP Lossless with error correcting 20,000 songs will be well supported and and if I need to convert them to baboon some whiz kid will make an app. http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?...light=shortbean http://members.home.nl/w.speek/comparison.htm http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...less_comparison http://web.inter.nl.net/users/hvdh/lossless/lossless.htm Now Real Alternatives is a nice app. It may look like crap and crashes a tad but it's free. Recall why it's needed thou because Real Audio (Liberal Democrat Senator from Washington Maria Cantwell) made a huge Trojan Horse Big Brother application called Real Player. And I thought Liberals were against Big Brother. Or take the Trojan horse Quicktime from a huge Liberal Steve Jobs. Yes WMP can be a Trojan Horse but you can plug it up if you install it right and select the correct items. Microsoft is the cheapest monopoly ever. I pay $90 every 2-3 years to get a new well supported OS. Type my problem in google and I get 100's pages of fixes. Linux is the opposite. If Linux had any capitalistic spirit they would sell the Operating System and figure a way to share the cash with people who code. The coders would be millionaires and the public would all use Linux and FLAC. But since they are hippie types and hate profit they give us some mikey mouse apps and crappy OS. If these liberals who choose not to market their own product or they sell their cool OS and other software to Microsoft would just stand up and say I have a dream about my product and i'm not selling it! I'm taking MS head-on and I'm gonna beat 'em! But these Liberals sell there souls and ideas for cash... buy basketball teams and do nothing. The day that MS decides to charge $1000 for it's OS we will see 5 Alt OS's. Is MS a big Liberal Corporation? Yes but they smartly keep their mouths shut about it. I have no idea why they love the people that hate them and try to put 'em out of business but that's there issue. I just enjoy using my WMP. Resource happy? Your absolutely right but this is because the competition is so poorly commercial.