Thanks, I already have all three of those files. I did go ahead and do the suggested registering of a list of about six files that is beneath the register place which it continually looped to and then i was able to use windows update. i do not know what file fixed it of that list and would really like to know this. i did notice that KB905474Notification, which I already had in HF, was in the list of critical updates that I was presented with. Although this install seems to be fixed i still don't know what to do about producing a cd which would result in a good install. Any other suggestions?