see I told you...you are just so great with people.. and that only shows the simplicity and generosity inside of you....Everyone has to start from somewhere, and I must admit that I can't even understand half of what's posted on these forums in the documentation provided. I learn by tinkering and seeing what works. Smaller steps are sometimes required. Most of the information in the tutorials is well written and comprehensive, but they often try to accomplish too much too fast while providing no information about why it works. Information overload, if you will. I dunno about others, but I am an experiential learner. I have to have a hands-on project which I am motivated to succeed with and apply the theoretical knowledge towards. I learn best from "doing" and from lurking in threads where others are discussing their problem solving processes and often those kinds of threads are one where the new information you gleaned was not related to the original title of the thread and you happened to stumble upon it by good luck rather than by good googling abilities. Alone we might not know everything, but together we all know a lot. But that's often a spontaneous collective process and search engines aren't quite intuitive enough to unearth that kind of shared information for us on demand. Yanno how it is when you really really need something and you just can't remember where you saw it last? LOL SO, thanx for your respond .. and two more Q's what would be the best tool to test my ISO ? and what are the other alternative softwares for n-lite ?