OK now I get it. I went to Green Machine and checked it out. This is the way to go. Got some work to do but this sounds promising. It has always bothered me that after the install/reinstall I have had to do all the updates to get back to where I was or beyond. Like I need to get ghost as well and stop the messing around here. My wife hates to see me tinkering with the computer. She always asks if the backup is current. It sort of has to be it seems like. I usually recover from the trips to the unknown but it is always with more stress than is friendly. I think I will get the Green Machine tool and get my installation in order. All this came up as my CD burner was not visible so I found a bad cable. Then I decided to use the controllers that I have and expand. Now I just need to put a new ATA cable on the DVD and CD and get the tool and try it all again. I'll get the third drive up and get a clean install and have my cake too. Well, after a thorouh thrashing I am sure. Thanks - back to work.