awsome! thanks for the help. I am just experimenting with cluster sizes, using windows disk managment. i will get back with results again, many thanks. Mike ############### UPDATE ################## I managed to get rid of the disk read error occurred, but now it's continued with just a blinking underscore! haha, typical. i used the HP format tool (3 times) and also i've tried every cluster size with NTFS, thats 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16k, 32k, and 64k. is the flashing underscore something i've done wrong? thanks Mike