OK, Well lets just be gentlemen and not ague. I mean it really does depend where you are when you do trace routes i.e. I’m in Los Angeles so I get a 10 ms ping to my Los Angeles server but to The Planet I get 55ms+ so theirs really noting to argue about, I bet but don’t know that you aren’t in California and that’s why the main network server didn’t have the best trace routes. The first post was not made by me saying we are the best, I know we aren’t the best, we try 110% of the time to make everyone happy and a lot of our customers say to me we are the best but I know every host that goes out of their way gets that. It just feels good and is fun to be able to help others in the web industry, sometimes ill take the time and chat with a host that’s just starting out I know a lot of larger hosts won’t take the time to do that. Best Regards, Max Wilson Support Team System Administrator WebDogPro Networks™ Max@WebDogPro.com