Thanks for your help! I ran tweakui and saw what it did to the registry key that x mentioned and I exported that key and edited it so that it used hkey_local_machine instead of hkey_current_user. Then all I had to do was run that reg file on the boxes and it was all done. By the way, in answer to x's question, yes I did do something to make them appear like that. I installed a certain popular cut down edition of xp (my builds all use my legitimate keys though), the person who made it has made lots of changes to various things, this being one of the rare ones that I didn't want for one of my images. Which brings me to my next question... Seems on this build that the start menu for all new logged in users has Administrative Tools on it, both straight on the start menu and in All Programs on the start menu. Administrative tools doesn't appear anywhere in the default users profile and only in the Programs folder in the All Users profile (which it won't let me delete) and as you can guess I don't want end users clicking on anything in admin tools, even though they won't be able to run any of it. Since it's not appearing anywhere, I'm again having trouble getting rid of it on this version of xp. Would anyone know where I can modify the registry to remove Administrative Tools from the start menu and from All Programs in the start menu (on this particular xp version where it seems to be put on all users start menu)? X, could you please explain how you knew exactly what keys TweakUI modified in regards to my hiding the other group in My Computer? I did check TweakUI to see if it could help remove administrative tools from start menu but unfortunately it's not showing in it's list of configurable items. Edit: PS thanks Ponch, that did have the relevant info but I decided on sticking to details view globally.