ok, so i made up a lite install, took alot of stuff out except for what i thought would probably be needed. installed windows and all the drivers, then proceded to setup the tv signal in mce and it kept telling me there were no tuners installed, which they were, so i even triend reinstalling the drivers then uninstalled them and reinstalled again.. but i couldn't get mce to detect they were even there. so i just installed the full copy cause these were newer drivers for the tuner that i found and hadn't used before. but i've got it all up and running now and working, apart from resouces are alot my tied up. so i guess i just took to much out, but i don't know what it might have been though?