You must think I'm the only person who feels the way I do about this place, If I had to I could mention the names of over a dozen members who feel exactly the same way, & have left for exactly the same reasons. 2 years ago you could log on & see an absolute minimum of 100+ members logged in at any one time. On a good day now you might find 60, the statistics speak for themselves. & I don't mean the total users online, which includes the passer by browsers who found the place via google or whatever, I mean members logged in. I just did a search on a subject I read about 3 years ago on here, the search yielded results that netted an absolute minimum of 11 pages of 75 posts, some - were 37 pages long within each post, who would want to waste the time reading every single page, not many, but hey, it's always easier to flame the noob than post the help as it so often seems. It's the few good members like prathapml, Jeremy, Bledd, cluberty & a few others here that give me any hope of getting a straight answer without the smug remarks & sarcasm. It's all good & well to start a " Lets Chill " thread, it's near impossible to imagine it ever happening without some form of user point system applied whereas a member can be added or subtracted points based on the usefulness of their post. We need a way to keep the procrastinators from ruining posts with their misinterpreted / misinformed or just plain rude reply that so often leaves a bad feel to the place. I noticed it was just adopted on the aeroxp forums, & now those who would have normally posted a schmuck unnecessary reply, actually think twice before doing so, for fear of losing points, it gives the poster something to think about before blerting off for nothing.