Modern motherboards which are working with Windows 98 (discussion)

[Zollex]

Hi! 775i65g rev 3.0 mobo works with E7600 cpu?

[ragnargd]

On 22.4.2017 at 4:46 AM, sparky4 said:

verified working! <3

You have there a board that provides the privilege to run w9x with a Xeon (even if it's only a relabeled c2d or c2q ... )

[ragnargd]

On 22.7.2017 at 0:47 AM, Zollex said:

Hi! 775i65g rev 3.0 mobo works with E7600 cpu?

Officially: No.

But it uses the same values as this supported one:

775 / Pentium Dual Core / E6600 (R0) / Wolfdale 3.06GHz / 1066MHz / 2MB / All

... so it may work just out-of-the box.

If you have board and CPU anyway, you may well try out, neither board nor CPU are in danger of getting damaged.

(But i have a good IT-lawyer, just in case you screw up and try to sue me...  )

[Zollex]

So ... Does not work with E7600, E7300 works max. Ironically, rev. 2.0 of the motherboard also works with the E7600, thanks to the bios mod. 3:22 !!!

[ruthan]

Just for fun i tried in last days my main rig:
Z97 MB - Asrock Z97 Extreme4/3.1 (i let USB 3.1 PCI-E 4x USB 3.1 board inside)
GPU Geforce 970 4GB - just for fun
Storage - 2D memory card in SD to IDE adapter - through IDE to Sata adapter.. - a bit wild i know, but it worked
- Rloew Sata patch + Rayer Himem patch.
- USB keyboard on USB2 port + PS2 mouse, only one 1 PS2 port, Y PS2 bios support is in the bios.. i havent proper USB to PS2 adapter for my keyboard.. and second thing is that when is Y cable used Del for bios is not working..
- BIos all on except all Sata controllers switched to IDE. 

For installation i used my USB flash guide - i you know find it here.
Because board has not USB Floppy emulation for USB mass storage, i had to install to on flash C: and after first reboot i cloned usb flash to SD card - and cleaned thing needed for USB boot..
  After 1st crash, i installed Sata patch + Himem patch  and adjusted Autoexec, Config and System.ini - reboot
  Install continued fine, so crashes etc.

I just LoneCrusaders *.inf for intel chipset during installation wasnt detected anything (inf were in C:\Win98 -install directory), i had to copy *.inf files to already installed  system and refresh for detecting right names, it worked, only on desktop Core 4th gen some things were detected as Xeon 1200 platform.

Results:
-  installation was fine, except too much memory fix and sata fix, only glitches on video card
- all important devices, except USB were detected through installation or after by INF
- system was stable
- with Russian Bear drivers was videocard running fine for DirectDraw games
- i tried even OpenGL Mesa wrapper, Unreal Tournament was playable in 320x240 with OpenGL, 512x384 too slow, but it worked only with Vanilla DirectX, after DX9 installation it stopped to work
- i dont tested sound at all
- USB controller were detected, but no drivers at all, i disabled USB 3 on Intel controller in the bios, after installa of usb 3.5 were controlelles and devices installed, but after reboot explorer started to be very lagy and freezes i tried it multiple times..

Bios USB settings (its for Multiboot.. so i let Asmedia USB3 enabled, Intel USB2 port would be enought for Windows 98):

Issues:
- when storage card is on Intel Sata port is not something detected after reboot, probably some timeout, in real usage, would be replaced by some proper SATA SSD
- when i connect Storage to Asmedia Sata port, Safe mode is working, but normal not i got C: writing error .. Probably other Rloew bug / catch, i did all by book, purged controllers, installed Sata patch, normal boot, Sata controller detected, reboot crash, with driver in DOS mode its running fine..

Everything what worked for Intel Sata.. But i have not time do full reinstall on Asmedia port, i switched it after installation.
- integrated USB - no go with nUSB3.5, devices detected, but system was very slow after that, i have tried all bios settings

PCI list:

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 0  0  0:  8086:0c00 1849:0c00 0600 00  06 
 0  1  0:  8086:0c01 0000:0000 0604 00  06 
 0  1  1:  8086:0c05 0000:0000 0604 00  06 
 0  1  2:  8086:0c09 0000:0000 0604 00  06 
 0 22  0:  8086:8cba 1849:8cba 0780 00  00 
 0 25  0:  8086:15a1 1849:15a1 0200 00  00 
 0 26  0:  8086:8cad 1849:8cad 0c03 20  00 
 0 27  0:  8086:8ca0 1849:1151 0403 00  00 
 0 28  0:  8086:8c90 0000:0000 0604 00  d0 
 0 28  3:  8086:8c96 0000:0000 0604 00  d0 
 0 28  6:  8086:8c9c 0000:0000 0604 00  d0 
 0 29  0:  8086:8ca6 1849:8ca6 0c03 20  00 
 0 31  0:  8086:8cc4 1849:8cc4 0601 00  00 
 0 31  2:  8086:8c82 1849:8c82 0106 01  00 
 0 31  3:  8086:8ca2 1849:8ca2 0c05 00  00 
 1  0  0:  10de:13c2 1462:3160 0300 00  a1 
 1  0  1:  10de:0fbb 1462:3160 0403 00  a1 
 3  0  0:  1b21:1242 1b21:1242 0c03 30  00 
 5  0  0:  1b21:0611 1849:0611 0101 85  02 
 6  0  0:  1b21:1142 1849:1142 0c03 30  00 

 

List of device with INF files:

 

No infs:

Detected USB, but as i said, after reboot it whole system was very laggy..

 

Uknow devices:

I wonder only about PCI System Management - that wasnt detect for like SM controller by INfs, its quite usual device. PCTV 73e is TV dongle, USB controllers are Asmedia USB 3 that is ok.

Other pictures:

VBE Gaming (i dont know why, but i wasnt able to force proper 4:3 scaling on monitor, monitor supporting it, but choice wasnt avalaible maybe
colide with other active option):

Edited August 23, 2017 by ruthan

[rloew]

You still have an AHCI Controller present.

[LoneCrusader]

2 hours ago, ruthan said:

I just LoneCrusaders *.inf for intel chipset during installation wasnt detected anything (inf were in C:\Win98 -install directory), i had to copy *.inf files to already installed  system and refresh for detecting right names, it worked, only on desktop Core 4th gen some things were detected as Xeon 1200 platform.

I think I may have figured out why the INF's didn't work for you on the X99 system. I thought I had updated the package more recently. It is possible I do not have all of the ID's present in the current version to cover X99. I did some work on it several months ago and I included what I had done in my own install media but I must not have updated the public package. I'll try to give it an update when I can. Got a lot of things going on right now and I can't work on it yet.

I see Diablo! Definitely one of my favorites. Can't stand the sequels though.

[ruthan]

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You still have an AHCI Controller present.

Three possibilities, on board are two controllers:
1) it could be second controller used for non boot device..
2) Is there even if it in IDE mode in the Bios
3)  The Picture or log made in situation when i used Intel controller in IDE mode for boot device and Asmedia controller in AHCI mode, it booted fine with that configuration.

   I dont  know to which information you are referring.. so its hard to say, but probably its point 3, or could you say if AHCI mode Intel or Asmedia controller?

 

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I see Diablo!  Definitely one of my favorites. Can't stand the sequels though.

   Diablo 1 was best, D2 had best combat systems, but too many colors, black paladin guy with thorns spell.. jungle and desert is wasnt same game, not dark enough.
    Diablo III is just copy paste business.  Diablo is nice crawler like old Arcade games only in isometric view, i can stand when someone saying its rpg.. I even once wrote something
about it and someone even translated it:
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/edit/blog/item/219412/index.php

Edited August 24, 2017 by ruthan

[rloew]

The SCANPCI dump shows the Intel Controller in AHCI Mode and the Asmedia Controller in Legacy IDE Mode.
Unless you set an Override in the BIOS, I would expect the Boot Device to be the Intel Controller.

[ruthan]

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The SCANPCI dump shows the Intel Controller in AHCI Mode and the Asmedia Controller in Legacy IDE Mode.

    And its really problem some controller in AHCI mode, when is not used for boot device, should it ends in same error..
  Im quite sure that i have tried even both controller in IDE mode and it ended in same error, but i can test it once more, just to be sure.

[ruthan]

Ok here is new SCANPCI log, both controllers should be in IDE mode, when is storage connected to asmedia controller:
1) Normal boot - C: write errors
2) I cant even boot in safe mode
 

Scanpci:

 0  0  0:  8086:0c00 1849:0c00 0600 00  06 
 0  1  0:  8086:0c01 0000:0000 0604 00  06 
 0  1  1:  8086:0c05 0000:0000 0604 00  06 
 0  1  2:  8086:0c09 0000:0000 0604 00  06 
 0 22  0:  8086:8cba 1849:8cba 0780 00  00 
 0 25  0:  8086:15a1 1849:15a1 0200 00  00 
 0 26  0:  8086:8cad 1849:8cad 0c03 20  00 
 0 27  0:  8086:8ca0 1849:1151 0403 00  00 
 0 28  0:  8086:8c90 0000:0000 0604 00  d0 
 0 28  3:  8086:8c96 0000:0000 0604 00  d0 
 0 28  6:  8086:8c9c 0000:0000 0604 00  d0 
 0 29  0:  8086:8ca6 1849:8ca6 0c03 20  00 
 0 31  0:  8086:8cc4 1849:8cc4 0601 00  00 
 0 31  2:  8086:8c80 1849:8c80 0101 8f  00 
 0 31  3:  8086:8ca2 1849:8ca2 0c05 00  00 
 0 31  5:  8086:8c88 1849:8c88 0101 85  00 
 1  0  0:  10de:13c2 1462:3160 0300 00  a1 
 1  0  1:  10de:0fbb 1462:3160 0403 00  a1 
 3  0  0:  1b21:1242 1b21:1242 0c03 30  00 
 5  0  0:  1b21:0611 1849:0611 0101 85  02 
 6  0  0:  1b21:1142 1849:1142 0c03 30  00 

Bootlog safe mode:

[000C9C63] SYSCRITINITSUCCESS  = V86MMGR 
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINIT  = VFAT    
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINITSUCCESS  = VFAT    
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINIT  = VDEF    
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINITSUCCESS  = VDEF    
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINIT  = UDF     
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINITSUCCESS  = UDF     
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINIT  = IFSMGR  
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINITSUCCESS  = IFSMGR  
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINIT  = VFBACKUP
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINITSUCCESS  = VFBACKUP
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINIT  = SHELL   
[000C9C63] SYSCRITINITSUCCESS  = SHELL   

Bootlog normal boot: // Nothing its whole file:
[000C96E7] Loading Device = C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.EXE
(Logo disabled)
[000C96E7] LoadSuccess    = C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.EXE
[000C96E7] Loading Device = C:\WINDOWS\ASPI2HLP.SYS
[000C96E7] LoadFailed     = C:\WINDOWS\ASPI2HLP.SYS
[000C96E7] Loading Device = C:\WINDOWS\DBLBUFF.SYS
[000C96E7] LoadSuccess    = C:\WINDOWS\DBLBUFF.SYS
[000C96E7] Loading Device = C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS
[000C96E7] LoadSuccess    = C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS

Edited August 24, 2017 by ruthan

[rloew]

Now there are three Hard Disk Controllers.

One Intel Controller in Legacy IDE Mode.
One Intel Controller in Native IDE Mode (needs SATA Patch if anything connected).
The Asmedia Controller in Legacy IDE Mode.

I see an incompatible Video Card.

You are still trying to load ASPI2HLP.SYS in your CONFIG.SYS File. Try removing it or commenting it out.

Add the /M:1 option to HIMEM.SYS in CONFIG.SYS.

You could try waiting half an hour to see if it boots in normal mode.

[LoneCrusader]

On 8/23/2017 at 9:08 PM, ruthan said:

   Diablo 1 was best, D2 had best combat systems, but too many colors, black paladin guy with thorns spell.. jungle and desert is wasnt same game, not dark enough.

    Diablo III is just copy paste business.  Diablo is nice crawler like old Arcade games only in isometric view, i can stand when someone saying its rpg.. I even once wrote something
about it and someone even translated it:
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/edit/blog/item/219412/index.php

I've never been able to stand D2 long enough to get very far. I agree 100%, running around outside in all these different areas lacks the atmosphere that the original had. Hellfire expansion is nice too. but so many things were left incomplete. The Hell mod fixes some of these but I haven't been able to fool with it for a couple of years now.
I can't access that link without a login apparently.

But anyway, back on topic. 9x gaming.. yes, back in the day. Before my friends and I all had to worry about work and bills and such.

7 hours ago, rloew said:

One Intel Controller in Legacy IDE Mode.

Wow, I wonder how that happened. I thought that option had disappeared some time ago.

[rloew]

Rescan with   SCANPCI  All

Two Legacy Controllers will not work unless one uses an alternate I/O Configuration.

Is there a jumper or configuration program for that Asmedia Controller Card?

[ruthan]

Now there are three Hard Disk Controllers.

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One Intel Controller in Legacy IDE Mode.
One Intel Controller in Native IDE Mode (needs SATA Patch if anything connected).
The Asmedia Controller in Legacy IDE Mode.

  In the bios are only 2 controllers, no addition card, so its virtual, or its IDE to Sata adapter on cable (if it is even theoretically possible).

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I see an incompatible Video Card.

   I wrote its Geforce 970 with 4 GB of VRAM, but with VBE is running fine, some glitches during installation and in safe mode but for compatibility test and 2D gaming it was fine.
  

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You are still trying to load ASPI2HLP.SYS in your CONFIG.SYS File. Try removing it or commenting it out.

   That wasnt me, its first time when we disscuss it, i dont know anything about it.. I have this file in Windows folder, but not i autoexec or config, if is not executed by other thing secondarily.. Its not in config.sys,
there is only Himem.sys
 

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Add the /M:1 option to HIMEM.SYS in CONFIG.SYS.

  Im using Himem.exe, make it still sense for it?

 

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Two Legacy Controllers will not work unless one uses an alternate I/O Configuration.

   Explain this boot write error?

Edited August 25, 2017 by ruthan