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vista bugs, vlite bugs or apps bugs?


FarCry3r

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OK, after I've vLite'd Vista Ultimate, installed, activated, I use it for surfing the Internet, downloading files etc... But after 2 days of continuous uses, Vista seems to act strangely... for an instance, I cannot right-click (no menu appear) on Desktop, any folders (to refresh, view props etc) and in Internet Explorer when I open some folders/apps. But after closing one or two Explorer windows/apps, the menu worked again, and then it doesn't work again...

Current app with problem running on vLite'd Vista Ultimate on my PC are:

1) Winamp 5.x (you can't click on ANY menu and right click on the Winamp window doesn't show anything, so it's useless. Older 2.x works tho...)

2) WinRAR (sometimes the menu bar dissappear and the fileview panel is empty)

3) Documents folder (files panel empty)

4) Media Player Classic (80% gives out exception error when running)

5) FlashFXP (also gives out exception error but rarely)

6) Adobe Photoshop 7 (installer doesn't work, I used portable version - first time run gives error, then it's OK)

I've updated my Vista and have the following updates:

1) Security Update for Microsoft Windows (KB925902)

2) Windows DreamScene (KB931133)

3) Update for Microsoft Windows (KB929735)

4) Windows DreamScene Preview (KB929327)

5) Update for Microsoft Windows (KB928089)

6) Update for Microsoft Windows (KB931573)

7) Update for Microsoft Windows (KB932246)

are updates causes the bugs? or maybe the DreamScene addon?

oh and, the latest ATI display driver is buggy i think, when installing (on friend's PC), the monitor is turned off in the Completing Installation process...

and if you can nuhi, I would like to request something for next vLite version:

Removal of calculating size/time remaining when copying files. I still have some OLDER USB 1.1 devices and the calculate things REAAALLY slow down the copying process (I have to switch to WinXP to copy files to those devices). Copying a 2.77mb files take about 30 seconds and copying a 20.4mb files make Vista crash...

Thanks :)

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Haven't stumbled on those weird issues just yet so I can't comment on that.

About the calculations...are you referring to the Vista's built-in copy routine which vLite uses?

This almost rhetorical question means that it's not under my control, it's much better copy routine than what I would be able to come up with manually. Your argument is valid and I hope there is a tweak for Vista to disable that...anyone knows one?

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Haven't stumbled on those weird issues just yet so I can't comment on that.

well maybe you will some times, does it have to do with different hardware combination (ie RAM, CPU etc.)? I used vLite'd Vista Ultimate x86 on my P4 3ghz, 512ram and 13gb hdd...

are you referring to the Vista's built-in copy routine which vLite uses?

yes, this one:

vistacopy.png

consumes too much time if copying low speed devices such as USB 1.1 and that thing were there from RC1 (or maybe earlier) and I don't see where I can turned it off or tweak in registry ATM...

and my latest test shows that when you open too much windows (on my PC), there will be something wrong with the menu, and the menu bar. it will dissappear...

the latest one i discovered are:

1) Notepad

2) Media Player Classic (again, but this time I can't open more than one window and it crashes when playing HD files, I tried on Pirate of Caribbean 1080p trailer...)

and for example, IE7, when I opened more than 10 windows, some of site opened in IE7 tab will have menu, and some doesn't... did vista check for my RAM and if it's low, the menu will be disabled or something? just curious...

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MPC I use very frequently and no issues with that I use it from this site. While testing RTM I also had a blank screen during installation. Seems normal and I think I read about it in release notes or so, don't remember and my new system has an Nvidia card.

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MPC I use very frequently and no issues with that

I used the MPC from the latest K-Lite Codec Pack version 1.70 (if I'm not mistaken), so it should have latest version of MPC too, right?

While testing RTM I also had a blank screen during installation. Seems normal and I think I read about it in release notes or so, don't remember and my new system has an Nvidia card.

I know about the blank screen, but this isn't it, it's totally turn my monitor off (but hard disk LED still blinking, so I leave it like that) and after a few minutes, the PC restart...

and, compare this two picture, the first one is the normal shell extension (right-click) menu in my windows explorer and the second one is when i opened some amount of windows

compare2.png

compare1.png

the menu items just dissappear in second picture... i really out of my little mind figuring out what is in the world is happening to my vista installation...

[EDIT]

The latest problematic apps is Adobe Photoshop 7 - It just launch for a split second and closes. Tried almost 20 times and still no luck running it... After that, I managed to run it, but it gives the error below:

Adobe Photoshop

Unable to continue because of a hardware or system

error. Sorry, but this error is unrecoverable.

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MPC has a different subversion rev 611 which is not shown in the main versionnumbering, I do not think this maked a difference but I can not say if Klite uses this one. Since it is open source everyone can compile his own version and as far as I know rev 611 is not available from the author. The other issues are quite strange, I would definetely install Vista clean and Vista Vlite'd a second time to see if vLite is the issue or merely this installation went wrong or is corrupted.

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MPC has a different subversion rev 611 which is not shown in the main versionnumbering

I don't know about that because KLite is widely used and it's available on those reliable download site (download.com etc)

to see if vLite is the issue or merely this installation went wrong or is corrupted.

Hmmm... I follow the install process from start to finish, and no errors encountered, except that when finalizing installation, it bug me about unsigned audio driver, that's all. And Vista never complained about corrupted sysfiles or something like that... maybe if you reinstall, you can try updating your Vista, and wait if it's happen (don't forget to open lotsa windows!)

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vistacopy.png

The above dialouge has caused me more trouble than ANY Vista feature so far. It's totally unrelated to vLite. I was told its related to NAT v6 somehow. It also pops up when trying to delete even the samllest file, or moving the smallest file. When it appears, and I'm still not sure what triggers it, game over. I have to re-install Vista, because I can't live with it!

I'm surprised that MS hasn't had complaints regarding this issue. There is little to go on at this time.

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It's totally unrelated to vLite. I was told its related to NAT v6 somehow.

well, maybe it's totally unrelated to vLite, but I'm sure vLite, will have tweak for this in the next version... How come copying dialog related to NAT?

It also pops up when trying to delete even the samllest file, or moving the smallest file.

you're sure damm right, even a small 1mb file is slow to delete...

When it appears, and I'm still not sure what triggers it, game over. I have to re-install Vista, because I can't live with it!

there's nothing trigger that dialog, because AFAIK, the dialog is already a part of Vista. I've seen those copying dialog box since Vista RC1, don't know about earlier release but Longhorn doesn't have it. So even if you reinstall Vista, you'll still lives with those dialog box...

I'm surprised that MS hasn't had complaints regarding this issue. There is little to go on at this time.

yeah, weird... maybe those betatesters didn't do their job?

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i too had the not right click bug. and this is without using vlite. and there is a patch for the slow copying bug. i like vista but not going near it until sp1.. plus its hard to tell with a new os. when ur vliting it or weather its a bug, which do u blame? since its a new buggy os... xp for me right now

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