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Pidiot, not everyone uses the same thing. You are dragging this topic way out of context. You even asked if there was any legals bounds to sue the companies who develop anti-virus / anti-spyware programs.

The idea of a firewall is for you to be asked if something is OK, and if you say yes, it will not ask again. Comodo does that, but it also performs behavioural analysis and watches over the memory. If an application is modified in memory, which can potentially indicate hijacking via code injection, it will let you know.

If you hate Windows this much, teach you wife how to use Linux.

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I agree with Jeremy, keeping you computer clean from threats is more a mentality.

No, I disagree. If Microsoft sells OSs, they should be protected. Windows XP have no protection at all. Why should I bother my mentality? Maybe I am a mentally handicapped? Comodo is a good firewall, but it is annoying. I don't use windows, but my wife keeps asking me each time what she should do, allow or disallow. Do you think it is nice? If I give you money, protect me physically, not mentally, not virtually, not because it is my business to protect myself by myself, otherwise next time I will buy something from a different guy who offers nicer OSs.

Seatbelts are annoying too. But if you refuse to wear those you should not complain that your airbag wasn't effective enough when you crash into a tree.

Being insecure will will be al lot more annoying when you have to reinstall windows. Ms cannot be held responsible for that.

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Seatbelts are annoying too. But if you refuse to wear those you should not complain that your airbag wasn't effective enough when you crash into a tree.

Being insecure will will be al lot more annoying when you have to reinstall windows. Ms cannot be held responsible for that.

OK guys, I finish this topic. I am not going to reply insulting messages any more. You can do anything to your Windows you want, protect, unprotect, secure, unsecure, prepare yourself to crash into a tree, whatever.

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Don't come into any forum telling people who are trying to provide you with advice and answers to your questions to crash into trees because you do not live in a perfect world where PCs are immune to any malicious infection. You asked for security software, we provided you with freeware answers, and that's the end of it.

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Don't come into any forum telling people who are trying to provide you with advice and answers to your questions to crash into trees because you do not live in a perfect world where PCs are immune to any malicious infection. You asked for security software, we provided you with freeware answers, and that's the end of it.

Sorry, guys, for being rude. I had no intention to offend anyone. I greatly appreciate your help. Especially Jeremy was very helpful. He explained a lot of things I didn't know.

This is my last post. I know that Windows people are very hostile to other OSs. I can say so because I was a Windows user myself. I though that Windows XP were the best OS in the world until I caught those viruses. Then I started to search for a solution and discovered that all viruses are written only for Windows and actually this problem can be solved in a very simple way. In order to forget about viruses existence it is sufficient to make the system unwritable for a unauthorized user. Why Microsoft didn't make such a patch? I assume that it is not beneficial for someone. Try something like Linux, it's free, and you will see how safe you will feel.

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...and discovered that all viruses are written only for Windows and actually this problem can be solved in a very simple way.

False. Viruses are, to my knowledge, written for Windows, MacOSX and Linux. 99.9% are written for Windows because 95-98% of the world uses Windows. If Linux were in Windows' place, the 99% of malware would be written for Linux.

I use my knowledge and experience to maintain security on several Windows machines and these systems don't get infected. It seems you spend more time complaining about something that isn't going to change anytime soon than actually doing something about it. How many people before you have done the same thing? Thousands. What do we do? We use good software and continue to learn more to benefit our experience and security.

As mentioned before, teach your wife how to use Linux or take advice already given to you.

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In my opinion, SP2 is definately necessary--it's been almost 3 years since the release of SP2, which means it's almost time for SP3. I also find SP2 more stable than SP1.

Fact is, a fully up-to-date computer and a pretty basic firewall will provide more protection than running a non-updated computer with latest and greatest anti-virus and anti-spyware on an open network. There are 2 main reasons behind this statement: 1- those who write malicious code often try to exploit vulnerabilitys already published by Microsoft. Microsoft provides patches for these exploits, but it does you no good if you don't install them. 2- From my experience, anti-virus softwares are great at telling you wether a system is infected or not, but often are not as effective at actually removing the infection or the damage it's caused.

The best approach is a good defense, and that is achieved by keeping your system up-to-date with security patches, keeping a firewall on your internet connection, avoidance of peer-to-peer networks, and just good 'ol fashioned smart surfing (like never clicking on links from SPAM emails).

just my $.02

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That was me who said the last word. Windows should be improved because its defense is unsatisfactory.

teach your wife how to use Linux or take advice already given to you

What a mentor style! Who you, teacher? And you expect me to be polite? What do you think about yourself?

I will teach you how to use Windows. It's your happiness that I can't speak English. The can of spiders...

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That was me who said the last word. Windows should be improved because its defense is unsatisfactory.
teach your wife how to use Linux or take advice already given to you

What a mentor style! Who you, teacher? And you expect me to be polite? What do you think about yourself?

I will teach you how to use Windows. It's your happiness that I can't speak English. The can of spiders...

Then make its defense satisfactory.

I am not familiar with Linux, but you are. You can teach your wife and I'm sure it will make you two feel more connected. I don't need to be taut how to use Windows as I already know how. Now please stop whining and take action. I'm happy because English isn't your first language? Well, trust me, I don't know your native language so we're even. I don't mind the small spiders, but the big and hairy ones creep me out. :w00t:

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I too use all freeware for security with WinXP. Avast and ZA along with the normal anti-spyware scans. Use Opera to browse. Have been known to "SWD" (surf while drunk). Often suprised the next day when the scans came up with nothing, (Kaspersky online scan does as well).

My wife has an older laptop with 256 RAM, uses AVG and ZA, Firefox with NoScript for her. Runs fine, not really that much slower than mine with 512mb RAM. I don't expect her to have any serious problems.

(That's what I was originally going to post, but...)

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After reading back through this thread from Pidiot's first post on. It is completely obvious to me that the intentions were to cleverly incite a flame war about Windows and Linux. It started out with a seemingly innocent (and legitimate) question and then dragged on with continued questions to instigate a flame war and culminate with the intended promotion of Linux.

Personally, I don't like that and wouldn't expect to see that here.

As I'm sure many members here do, I use them both and like them both.

Pidiot, most folks here already know about the security differences between Windows and Linux. People have their reasons for using Windows. That's all there is to it.

What gave it away to me was the statement that Norton found "2963" (post #5) viruses that the others did not. That's impossible. So there's not only the intended bashing of Windows (which is so common it's a complete bore) but the bashing of quality security freeware as well.

What also caught my attention is that anyone who knows enough about pc's to install Linux and mount a FAT32 Windows partition (actually it's better just to make a FAT32 storage partition to swap files between the two OSs), would know that SP2 wouldn't "speed up a computer".

(from #20) ... And actually I didn't notice any difference between SP1 and SP2 except that SP2 didn't speed up my computer.

What convinced me Pidiot, is the way you went back and forth between speaking knowledgeably and inexperienced.

(from #36) ... In order to forget about viruses existence it is sufficient to make the system unwritable for a unauthorized user.

There was some time wasted here Pidiot, by knowledgeable people honestly (if not naively), trying to help. I think that's very inconsiderate. I only ask for help when I'm completely confounded and I can't find what I'm looking for by searching. I'm nowhere near being an expert, but only posted for help on forums a few times. I'd feel bad if I didn't try other avenues first.

(from #36) --- I know that Windows people are very hostile to other OSs.

I have NEVER known that to be true. In fact it's usually the other way around.

(from #33) .... OK guys, I finish this topic. I am not going to reply insulting messages any more.

I read through the posts and did not see anyone insulting you, Pidiot.

I guess you didn't think anyone would catch on, did you Pidiot.

--- Moderators: if you think my assessment is wrong then pardon me, and edit or remove this post as you see fit. I really don't think I'm wrong though.

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It is completely obvious to me that the intentions were to cleverly incite a flame war about Windows and Linux. It started out with a seemingly innocent (and legitimate) question and then dragged on with continued questions to instigate a flame war and culminate with the intended promotion of Linux.

Sorry guys, again. I didn't want to offend anyone. I'm just experiencing a tough time here in Canada, immigration and everything. I am a qualified specialist can't find job here for almost 2 years. As for my posts I described everything as it was. I didn't want any war. Those viruses were on my wife's partition. But I don't like the style of this forum and the attitude of as you said knowledge people who obviously didn't read my posts, towards regular people . How many times you want me to thank you? Until the end of eternity? Why are all these people trying to teach me? I said: windows is a very weak OS in sense of defense. It's true. I installed opera comodo, and everything. I don't like this stuff. My wife doesn't like it either. Who likes, maybe you? Maybe you make money selling this stuff to people? Those knowledge people you mentioned never tried linux and they think that the whole world is spinning around Microsoft. It is not true. They are not knowledge people.

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*waves the magic wand*

Everyone needs to calm down here. There's too much bickering and not enough positive discussion.

For what it's worth, my standpoint is that an OS is only as secure as the user behind it. Everyone has mentioned running Windows with AntiVirusX and FirewallY, but I've got neither, and it's been that way for several months now. Have I got infected? Nope. I've actually got three computers of mine running like this. It's tried and tested proof that you don't need security software. I don't recommend that others do the same, but if your wife is infecting the computer dispite security software, then it's simply a problem of her computing practices.

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