Windows 98SE on the lastest hardware

[nicke85]

Hi everybody!

I am stanch user of Microsoft Windows 98SE for a last few years.

But my PC is very low configuration for current standard and I want to buy new.

My buyers option for PC configuration is next:

WD3200KS HDD 320 GB 7200rpm / Serial ATA II 3.0Gb/s / 16MB

945GM3-F P4, INTEL 945G, S.775, Core2Duo Support,SB7.1, PCI-Ex16,4xSATAII,GLAN,DualDDRII677, USB2.0, M.ATX

PD-3.4BOX-945 CPU P Dual-Core 945 - 3.4 GHz 2 x 2Mb L2, 800MHz, S.775

TS64MLQ64V6J DDR2 512MB 240pin PC-667/CL5

TS64MLQ64V6J DDR2 512MB 240pin PC-667/CL5

100-714502 VGA PCI-E 256MB GDDR3 Radeon X800XL, All-In-Wonder, ViVO, PAL/SECAM+DVB-T, Remote Wonder, 256bit

DVR-111Bk DVD +R/-R 16x,+RW 8x, -RW 6x, +R DL 8x, CDRW 40x32x32, Double Layer, Black, bulk

[blueberry] CN-331BKS / Miditower Case 331, 300W P4, 2xUSB+Audio, ATX, 4*5.25", 2+5*3.5", Black/Silver

LG L1970HR - flat panel display - TFT - 19"

I want to know is there any chance to install Win98se on this PC to get fully or approximately hardware support?

Edited November 19, 2006 by nicke85

[Petr]

It does not look very good.

945G chipset - my INFs will be needed but

- integrated graphics - no Win98 driver from Intel, you may get 2D driver from http://my.scitechsoft.com/

- USB 2.0 - no Win98 driver

- Sound - Realtek ALC883 - no Win98 driver

- SATA controller: no Win98 driver, can work in combined PATA compatibility mode, but not all BIOSes enable to set this mode, some of my Gigabyte boards yes, my MSI and Intel boards no, has to be verified

- LAN Controller Realtek 8110SC: driver is here: ftp://202.65.194.18/cn/nic/PCI_InstallShield_5649_061019.zip

- Radeon X800: Catalyst® Version 6.2 for Windows ME has beta support only, I have experienced some problems with PCI-E video cards with 256 MB RAM

One comment - D945 is cheap but power hungry processor, you may consider some Core 2 Duo unless you have your own power plant.

Petr

[BenoitRen]

Nobody needs dual-core processors. Get a good single-core processor from AMD. Much cheaper than Intel, about the same quality. If possible, get an Athlon XP one. No one needs 64-bit if one isn't processing huge databases.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Nobody needs dual-core processors. Get a good single-core processor from AMD. Much cheaper than Intel, about the same quality. If possible, get an Athlon XP one. No one needs 64-bit if one isn't processing huge databases.

If you get an Athlon XP, don't get nForce-based motherboards!

It seems that the Windows 98 nForce drivers suck.

It appears that nForce 2-based motherboards require Windows NT-based Windows for them to work properly.

Most benchmarks show that my nForce2 motherboard's performance is degraded when the version of Windows isn't NT-based.

Edited November 20, 2006 by RJARRRPCGP

[LLXX]

http://www.asrock.com/product/ConRoe865PE.htm

[modicr]

Hello!

http://www.asrock.com/product/ConRoe865PE.htm

FSB 1066 * Supported by overclocking mode

Regards, Roman

Edited November 21, 2006 by modicr

[nicke85]

Ok thanx guys for replies!

After I were thinked about my necessity on PC...I can buy more cheaper PC configuration for my work.

945G chipset is many faster than 865 but unfortunately win98se has not drivers for it.

I can't buy ConRoe865PE motherboard but can some other with 865 chipset too.

Does this combination can fully support W98SE?

CEL 3.2BOX-352 CPU P4 Celeron D 3.20 GHz 512kb, 533MHz, S.775 82.00

RC12D281TA-32BC0550 RC512 DDRAM 512MB 184pin PC-400/CL2.5 38.00

775I65G R2.0 P4, INTEL 865G, S.775, SB5.1, VGA, AGP8x, 2xSATA, LAN, 2xDDR400, 6+2xUSB2.0, M.ATX 53.00

[blueberry] CN-331BKS / Miditower Case 331, 300W P4, 2xUSB+Audio, ATX, 4*5.25", 2+5*3.5", Black/Silver

MX6V080E0 HDD 80 GB 7200rpm / Serial ATA / 8MB 49.00

Price is about 250e

[nicke85]

Or this one!?

HT0A33405 HDD 320 GB 7200rpm / Ultra ATA-133 / 8MB

P4-3.06BOX-524 CPU P4 524 - 3.06 GHz 1Mb, 533MHz, S.775

775TWINS-HDTV P4, ATI RADEON Xpress200, S.775, SB7.1, VGA ATI X300, PCI-E, 4xSATA RAID, LAN, 2xDDR2 + 2xDDR, M.ATX

512-667-TWI-200-U-08-H-5.0 DDR2 512MB 200pin PC-667/CL5 for NB

512-667-TWI-200-U-08-H-5.0 DDR2 512MB 200pin PC-667/CL5 for NB

[BenoitRen]

I wouldn't buy the poor man's Celeron. If you want a cheaper CPU, go AMD.

Pentium IV CPUs are expensive, but if you prefer Intel, then I can't stop you. Obviously, I'm an AMD fan.

[Lunac]

One of your video card choices might be problematic. (ATI RADEON Xpress200?) I'm not 100% sure but I believe ATI stopped supporting Windows 98/ME after they released Radeon 9800 series. According to the ATI/AMD driver page ( http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html ), Windows 98/ME is listed as Legacy, and the latest GPU supported is listed as "Radeon 9800 series". Latest driver for Windows 98/ME is dated February 9th, 2005. There is also a selection captioned "Radeon series", but this leads to that same "February 9th, 2005" driver.

There might be some 3rd party ATI drivers (enhanced/hacked/custom?) that might do the job. If not, there are plenty of nvidia cards out there for you.

[nicke85]

One of your video card choices might be problematic. (ATI RADEON Xpress200?) I'm not 100% sure but I believe ATI stopped supporting Windows 98/ME after they released Radeon 9800 series. According to the ATI/AMD driver page ( http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html ), Windows 98/ME is listed as Legacy, and the latest GPU supported is listed as "Radeon 9800 series". Latest driver for Windows 98/ME is dated February 9th, 2005. There is also a selection captioned "Radeon series", but this leads to that same "February 9th, 2005" driver.

There might be some 3rd party ATI drivers (enhanced/hacked/custom?) that might do the job. If not, there are plenty of nvidia cards out there for you.

Thx for this adress Lunac!There is exist ATI RADEON Xpress200 driver for W98SE and ME!lol

But driver is for integrated graphic chip on motherboard,not for standard graphic card.

It seems that ATI RADEON Xpress200 is good for W98SE because it has fully support for

DirectX 9.0c.

[rainyd]

Lunac, two things: the Catalyst 6.2 for Win98/ME was released on February 9th, 2006 and you can run also X800 family cards using this driver (beta status).

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2...ease_notes.html

Edited November 30, 2006 by rainyd

[Lunac]

Hmm, really? On this page it says Feb. 9th 2005. http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/98me/radeonaiw-98me.html

By the way, your link doesn't work.

I've actually had experience with ATI x8xx AGP cards this past summer. I purchased both X800GTO AGP and X850XT AGP, (one after the other) on Newegg, and it was a no-go situation. (I would get blue screens on boot up, I couldn't change the refresh rates or the resolution, etc) It would only boot up properly in safe-mode. I think on the driver CDs, the driver versions were 6.2, but I never bothered to read the docs back then. People at Newegg refunded my money even though the specs for both cards said "2000/XP", no mention of other operating systems.

According to the Catalyst 6.2 PDF I've got, it does say there is beta support, but it does not mention Windows 98 explicitly, only it mentions that "Windows 98/98SE is supported through the Windows Millennium Edition driver", which from my personal experience is not true. Beta? Maybe alpha, but I was stuck in 640x480 resolution and 16 colors.

Edited November 30, 2006 by Lunac

[glocK_94]

Ati Xpress 200 is officially supported. X800 have indeed beta drivers but people have already tried it with success. WinMe/98 drivers are the same. The beta stage is probably to warn users that they won't get any support. I think somebody on this forum even made a PCI-e x800 work on Win98 but I can't remember who.

However you obviously had a bad experience. Maybe more opinions could be usefull to know if it really isn't supported correctly or if you were just unlucky with your cards.

[Lunac]

Plain X800? I don't know about that. But my X800GTO or X850XT didn't function properly, plus the X850XT's fan was stuck @ 5% (a driver issue is my guess) so it would overheat pretty quickly.

I've gone through many cards in the past 2 years, and although nvidia's drivers for 98/ME are not perfect by any means, I've never had too many problems. Other than a fan failure on my 6600GT (a card which I don't even have anymore), but I don't think drivers were to blame for that.