turbines Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Can anyone tell me why nLite version 1.0 beta 6 makes much smaller installations than RC6, RC7 or RC8 when essentially all the same components are selected for removal. There seems to be several hundred MB difference after installation. The installation I made using the beta version is less that 900 MB after installation and the installations made with subsequent version are > 1.7 GB. All were made from the same copy of XPHE and incude all the SP2 updates. The installation made from the beta version seems to be very stable and I have not experienced any problems with it. I am just curious what the differences are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T D Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Are you sure you removed the same stuff? If you used a last_session.ini made in Rc7/8 and used it on Rc6, there will be some stuff in the ini to be removed that isn't available in Rc6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbines Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 Yes I am quite sure the same items were removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZcWorld Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 did you have enabled / disable recompressing of cabs files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiki Burgh Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 (edited) 900mb-1.7gb is a very large source ... to begin with nLite is to customize ... slim down ... the OS Edited June 27, 2006 by Kiki Burgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbines Posted June 28, 2006 Author Share Posted June 28, 2006 I assume by source file you mean the finished nlite installation disk size. I am talking about the installed Windows folder size after installation. The installation disk is only about 165 MB.I did not enable CAB recompression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarade_Tux Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 .Net Framework and Java ?Any hotfix backup folder (hidden files, NTFS compressed if available so they display in blue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbines Posted June 28, 2006 Author Share Posted June 28, 2006 (edited) Netframe 1.1 was used with 1.0 beta 6 and version 2 with RC6, 7 and 8. Java version is 5.X. No hotfixes were added to any of them. I updated after installation. Edited June 28, 2006 by turbines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camarade_Tux Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 These "programs" are more and more space-consuming. It does not explain a 800MB difference but afaik .Net 2 eats more space than .Net 1.I think you should try inside a VM with beta6 and final, without any software or update. It's hard to guess the impact of softwares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiki Burgh Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 I assume by source file you mean the finished nlite installation disk size. I am talking about the installed Windows folder size after installation. The installation disk is only about 165 MB.my bad turbines ... 165 is a very decent source These "programs" are more and more space-consuming.i completely agree with Camarade_Tux here ... seeing that the add-ons we use are compressed, once installed (i.e., Java & .Net) eat a lot of space ... verifying from my Add/Remove programs --- hundreds of mbs are allocated for these ...but the swollen installation still does not compute ... i'd assume that as far as compression is concerned you did the same with the previous builds ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbines Posted June 28, 2006 Author Share Posted June 28, 2006 Ok things are getting a bit confused for me. None of the installations I refered to include programs, NetFrame or VM Hotfix addons. I am going to reload my basic windows installation from the sources made from the beta 6 and then load the one made from 1.0 Final. Then I will include the ini file for each as will as exact size on disk figures. That may help sort this puzzle out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbines Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 Ok it seems I may have found the problem and maybe someone can explain why. The difference is in the virtual memory size. In all cases I move mine to a second physical drive partition. It seems that in some cases that the initial space used by the page files on "C" is not recovered after moving them to another drive even though the setting on the advanced virtual memory settings show "no paging file" on C.Below are 2 example preset texts. The first one produces a uncompressed windows size of ~ 500 MB after moving the page files to another drive. The second produces a windows size of ~ 1.24 GB with the page files moved to another drive. In fact the second shows the same size regardless as to whether the page files are moved or not. The problem does not seem to be related to any differences between 6 beta and subsequent versions of nLiteThe only difference I see is in the Drivers, Networks Settings and Services components.[Main]Env = 1.0 Final - 2.0.50727.42.Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2Target = Windows XP Home Edition Sp2 - build 2180 - English (United States)[Tasks]Remove ComponentsUnattended SetupTweaksCreate a Bootable ISOPatchesOptions[Components];# Applications #Accessibility OptionsBriefcaseCalculatorCharmapClipBook ViewerGamesInternet GamesPaintPinballScreensaversWordpad;# Drivers #Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)Cameras and CamcordersDisplay AdaptersDisplay Adapters (old)Ethernet (LAN)IBM ThinkpadInfraRedISDNLogitech WingManMicrosoft SideWinderModemsMultiFunctionalPortable AudioPrintersScannersSCSI/RAIDSony Jog DialSound ControllersTape drivesToshiba DVD decoder cardWireless Ethernet (WLAN);# Hardware Support #Brother DevicesGravis Digital GamePortMulti-port serial adaptersMulti-Processor SupportSmart CardsTeletext codecWindows CE USB Host;# Keyboards #;# Languages #;# Multimedia #Acm Core CodecsActiveX for streaming videoAOL ART Image Format SupportImages and BackgroundsLuna ThemeMIDI audio supportMouse CursorsMovie MakerMusic SamplesSpeech Support;# Network #Communication toolsConnection ManagerFrontPage ExtensionsInternet Connection WizardInternet Information Services (IIS)IP ConferencingMSN ExplorerNetmeetingNetShell Cmd-ToolOutlook ExpressPeer-to-PeerSynchronization ManagerVector Graphics Rendering (VML)Web FoldersWindows Messenger;# Operating System Options #.NET FrameworkAdministrative TemplatesColor SchemesDocument TemplatesDR WatsonFAT to NTFS converterFile and Settings WizardHelpInput Method EditorManual Install and UpgradePrivate Character EditorSave Dump UtilitySearch AssistantSecurity CenterTourWeb View;# Services #AlerterApplication Layer GatewayBeep DriverDistributed Link Tracking ClientError ReportingFax ServicesImapiIndexing ServiceMessengerRemote RegistryRemovable StorageSecondary LogonService Advertising ProtocolVolume Shadow CopyWebClientWindows Time;# Directories #DOCSSUPPORTVALUEADD;# Compatibility #Compat01Compat02Compat03Compat04Compat06Compat09[KeepFiles]msconfig.exe[RemoveFiles]clock.avi[Options]CABRecompressGuestName = ""AdminName = ""ProfilesDir = "%SystemDrive%\Documents and Settings"TargetPath = "WINDOWS"temp_dir = %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\TempSrvpEnabledisovol = WinLiteisoatt = -allow-multidot -no-iso-translate -relaxed-filenames -allow-leading-dots -N -l -d -D -joliet-long -duplicates-once -no-emul-boot -b boot.bin -hide boot.bin -hide boot.catalog[Patches]TcpIp = 10UsbPoll = 125DoSFC[services]AppMgmt,4EventSystem,3COMSysApp,3Browser,2CryptSvc,2DHCP,2MSDTC,3DNSCACHE,2EventLog,2FastUserSwitchingCompatibility,3HTTP,3HTTPFilter,3HidServ,4IpInIp,3IpNat,3IpFilterDriver,3PolicyAgent,2Ip6Fw,3NwlnkFlt,3NwlnkFwd,3NDProxy,3NetLogon,3Netman,3NetDDE,4NetDDEdsdm,4NLA,3xmlprov,3NtLmSsp,3SysmonLog,3PlugPlay,2ProtectedStorage,2RasAuto,3RasMan,3RpcLocator,3RemoteAccess,4SamSs,2LanmanServer,2SENS,2LMHosts,2TapiSrv,3Themes,2UPS,3AudioSrv,2SharedAccess,2StiSvc,3winmgmt,2WmiApSrv,3LanmanWorkstation,2[Tweaks]Explorer-Change Explorer Folder View to: detailsExplorer-Show all files and foldersExplorer-Show Drive Letters in front of Drive NamesExplorer-Show extensions of known file-typesExplorer-Show Statusbar in all windowsExplorer-Use small icons in Explorer barSpeed-Disable Info Tips on Files and FoldersSpeed-Disable Optimize harddisk when idleSpeed-Disable Tracking of Broken Shortcut LinksSpeed-Disable Warn on low disk spaceSpeed-Do not cache thumbnailsSpeed-Processor scheduling-ProgramsSpeed-Use Windows classic folders / No Tasks SidepanelStart Menu-Add Administrative Tools menuTaskbar-Disable Balloon TipsTaskbar-Disable Group similar Taskbar buttonsTaskbar-Disable Hide inactive iconsTaskbar-Disable Language-BarVisual Effects-Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing-DisableVisual Effects-Combo box animation-DisableVisual Effects-Cursor shadow-DisableVisual Effects-Fade out selection-DisableVisual Effects-Gradient captions in windows-DisableVisual Effects-Menu animation-DisableVisual Effects-Menu shadows-DisableVisual Effects-Menu style-NormalVisual Effects-Show translucent selection rectangle-DisableVisual Effects-Show window contents while dragging-DisableVisual Effects-Tooltip animation-DisableVisual Effects-Use a background image for each folder type-DisableVisual Effects-Use visual styles on windows and buttons-DisableWindows Media Player-Accept Privacy StatementWindows Media Player-Disable all streaming protocolsWindows Media Player-Disable auto-add music to libraryWindows Media Player-Disable automatic codec downloadWindows Media Player-Disable metadata retrievalWindows Media Player-Disable MRUWindows Media Player-Disable silent acqusitionWindows Media Player-Disable starting with Media GuideWindows Media Player-Do not show anchor in DesignmodeWindows Media Player-Enhanced privacy settingsWindows Media Player-No visualizationWindows Media Player-Optimize fullscreen mode behaviourWindows Media Player-Remove all context menu entriesWindows Media Player-Zoom video to windowsize[unattended]UnattendMode = DefaultHideDisableOemComputerType = AutomaticDisableSRestoreMaximumDataStorePercentOfDisk = 0RestorePointLife = 0AutoUDay = 5AutoUHour = 15ProgFilesPath = "C:\Program Files"[NetAdapter1]connname = ""macaddress = ""ipaddress = "192.168.0.1"subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"defaultgateway = ""dnsserver1 = ""dnsserver2 = ""winsserver = ""netbiossetting = "0"ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"[NetAdapter2]connname = ""macaddress = ""ipaddress = "192.168.0.2"subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"defaultgateway = ""dnsserver1 = ""dnsserver2 = ""winsserver = ""netbiossetting = "0"ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"[GuiRunOnce][Drivers][Hotfixes]*******************************************************************[Main]Env = 1.0 Final - 2.0.50727.42.Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2Target = Windows XP Home Edition Sp2 - build 2180 - English (United States)[Tasks]Remove ComponentsUnattended SetupTweaksCreate a Bootable ISOPatchesOptions[Components];# Applications #Accessibility OptionsBriefcaseCalculatorCharmapClipBook ViewerGamesInternet GamesPaintPinballScreensaversWordpad;# Drivers #Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)Cameras and CamcordersDisplay Adapters (old)Ethernet (LAN)ISDNLogitech WingManModemsMultiFunctionalPortable AudioPrintersScannersSCSI/RAIDSony Jog DialTape drivesToshiba DVD decoder cardWireless Ethernet (WLAN);# Hardware Support #Brother DevicesGravis Digital GamePortMulti-port serial adaptersSmart CardsTeletext codecWindows CE USB Host;# Keyboards #All removed;# Languages #All removed;# Multimedia #Acm Core CodecsActiveX for streaming videoAOL ART Image Format SupportImages and BackgroundsLuna ThemeMIDI audio supportMouse CursorsMovie MakerMusic Samples;# Network #Communication toolsConnection ManagerFrontPage ExtensionsInternet Connection WizardInternet Information Services (IIS)IP ConferencingMSN ExplorerNetmeetingNetShell Cmd-ToolNetwork Monitor Driver and ToolsNWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS ProtocolPeer-to-PeerSynchronization ManagerVector Graphics Rendering (VML)Web FoldersWindows Messenger;# Operating System Options #.NET FrameworkAdministrative TemplatesColor SchemesDocument TemplatesDR WatsonFAT to NTFS converterFile and Settings WizardHelpInput Method EditorManual Install and UpgradePrivate Character EditorSave Dump UtilitySearch AssistantSecurity CenterTourWeb View;# Services #AlerterApplication Layer GatewayBeep DriverDistributed Link Tracking ClientError ReportingFax ServicesImapiIndexing ServiceMessengerNetwork DDENetwork Location Awareness (NLA)Remote RegistryRemovable StorageSecondary LogonService Advertising ProtocolVolume Shadow CopyWebClientWindows Time;# Directories #DOCSSUPPORTVALUEADD;# Compatibility #Compat01Compat02Compat03Compat04Compat06Compat09[KeepFiles]msconfig.exe[RemoveFiles]clock.avi[Options]CABRecompressGuestName = ""AdminName = ""ProfilesDir = "%SystemDrive%\Documents and Settings"TargetPath = "WINDOWS"temp_dir = %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\TempSrvpEnabledisovol = WinLiteisoatt = -allow-multidot -no-iso-translate -relaxed-filenames -allow-leading-dots -N -l -d -D -joliet-long -duplicates-once -no-emul-boot -b boot.bin -hide boot.bin -hide boot.catalog[Patches]TcpIp = 10UsbPoll = 125DoSFC[services]AppMgmt,4EventSystem,3COMSysApp,3Browser,2CryptSvc,2DHCP,2MSDTC,3DNSCACHE,2EventLog,2FastUserSwitchingCompatibility,3HTTP,3HTTPFilter,3HidServ,4IpInIp,3IpNat,3IpFilterDriver,3PolicyAgent,2Ip6Fw,3NDProxy,3NetLogon,3Netman,3xmlprov,3NtLmSsp,3SysmonLog,3PlugPlay,2ProtectedStorage,2RasAuto,3RasMan,3RpcLocator,3RemoteAccess,4SamSs,2LanmanServer,2SENS,2LMHosts,2TapiSrv,3Themes,2UPS,3AudioSrv,2SharedAccess,2StiSvc,3winmgmt,2WmiApSrv,3LanmanWorkstation,2[Tweaks]Explorer-Change Explorer Folder View to: detailsExplorer-Show all files and foldersExplorer-Show Drive Letters in front of Drive NamesExplorer-Show extensions of known file-typesExplorer-Show Statusbar in all windowsExplorer-Use small icons in Explorer barSpeed-Disable Info Tips on Files and FoldersSpeed-Disable Optimize harddisk when idleSpeed-Disable Tracking of Broken Shortcut LinksSpeed-Disable Warn on low disk spaceSpeed-Do not cache thumbnailsSpeed-Processor scheduling-ProgramsSpeed-Use Windows classic folders / No Tasks SidepanelStart Menu-Add Administrative Tools menuTaskbar-Disable Balloon TipsTaskbar-Disable Group similar Taskbar buttonsTaskbar-Disable Hide inactive iconsTaskbar-Disable Language-BarVisual Effects-Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing-DisableVisual Effects-Combo box animation-DisableVisual Effects-Cursor shadow-DisableVisual Effects-Fade out selection-DisableVisual Effects-Gradient captions in windows-DisableVisual Effects-Menu animation-DisableVisual Effects-Menu shadows-DisableVisual Effects-Menu style-NormalVisual Effects-Show translucent selection rectangle-DisableVisual Effects-Show window contents while dragging-DisableVisual Effects-Tooltip animation-DisableVisual Effects-Use a background image for each folder type-DisableWindows Media Player-Accept Privacy StatementWindows Media Player-Disable all streaming protocolsWindows Media Player-Disable auto-add music to libraryWindows Media Player-Disable automatic codec downloadWindows Media Player-Disable metadata retrievalWindows Media Player-Disable MRUWindows Media Player-Disable silent acqusitionWindows Media Player-Disable starting with Media GuideWindows Media Player-Do not show anchor in DesignmodeWindows Media Player-Enhanced privacy settingsWindows Media Player-No visualizationWindows Media Player-Optimize fullscreen mode behaviourWindows Media Player-Remove all context menu entriesWindows Media Player-Zoom video to windowsize[unattended]UnattendMode = DefaultHideDisableOemComputerType = AutomaticDisableSRestoreMaximumDataStorePercentOfDisk = 0RestorePointLife = 0AutoUDay = 5AutoUHour = 15ProgFilesPath = "C:\Program Files"[NetAdapter1]connname = ""macaddress = ""ipaddress = "192.168.0.1"subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"defaultgateway = ""dnsserver1 = ""dnsserver2 = ""winsserver = ""netbiossetting = "0"ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"[NetAdapter2]connname = ""macaddress = ""ipaddress = "192.168.0.2"subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"defaultgateway = ""dnsserver1 = ""dnsserver2 = ""winsserver = ""netbiossetting = "0"ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"[GuiRunOnce][Drivers][Hotfixes] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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