KB912812-Anyway to fix ActiveX installs?

[Eck]

Hey,

I just set up a dual-boot with 98SE and XP, 2 seperate primary partitions using Partition and Boot Magic.

I'm pretty experienced with this stuff and use the unofficial 98SESP and 98SE2ME, along with MDGx's add-on's and updates, etc. I also use Maximus-Decim's MDAC update.

When installing KB912812 resulted in a surprise when going to Microsoft's OfficeUpdate and Macromedia's Flash download (neither ActiveX installer would bring up the question box so nothing could install), I tried lowering my IE security settings and setting the office site to trust it. No effect, as no activeX control would install.

So I came here and noticed the new Maximus-Decim IE and MDAC updater's. I installed them, hoping to fix this. But still no ActiveX installer would install.

I managed to download the Office Updates manually and install them, but I'm stuck with Flash 7.0.19 that's installed with WorksSuite 2005, except for in Firefox since I used the manual Firefox Flash 8.0.24 installer for that. Of course I now cannot install some of my other software that installs older versions of Shockwave and Flash as then I would be stuck with even older versions and no way to fix it by downloading the latest Flash from Macromedia. It simply will not bring up the box asking permission to install it.

WindowsUpdate works fine as that control was installed before it installed KB912812.

I also tried the IE Repair tool with no change.

It seems that with XP there isn't a problem as the built in IE popup blocker allows you to click it to install an ActiveX control, but of course there is no such process built in to IE6 SP1 on 98SE.

I use Firefox normally so I'm basically okay, but I'd like to fix Internet Explorer so if I need something installed that uses ActiveX controls it will install it. Right now this is broken.

[Petr]

Regarding Flash 8.0.24, here are direct download links for packages containing flash8a.ocx 8.0.24.0:

http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flash...er_active_x.exe

http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flash...er_active_x.msi

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwa...ash/swflash.cab

Petr

[Eck]

I tried the links on both Firefox and Internet Explorer (Windows XP) and they don't seem to latch on to anything. Maybe they moved them?

By the way, I also searched the site and the only downloads for Internet Explorer I could find (besides the regular ActiveX download) were the Flash 8 Basic downloads. When I tried to install it, it reported compatibility for only Windows XP. That's not what's needed anyway. I just had noticed that those also included the Internet Explorer plugin. The installer didn't run though, except for informing me it was only for XP/2000, etc.

I couldn't find links like you provided concerning the manual ActiveX installer. And the ones you provided didn't link to them. I should be able to download them from the ftp, as I've never had a problem downloading ftp links before and no error appeared other than saying the file wasn't found on the server.

Aside from that, are Internet Explorer ActiveX installations broken for everyone who has installed the latest Internet Explorer Cumulative Update on 98SE? If so, you'd think others might be complaining about this.

That's another reason I posted the question. I don't see how it could be just me.

[miko]

relevant ?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917425/

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917425/

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/912812

'TAB key and ENTER keys' ??? :S

Edited May 1, 2006 by miko

[Eck]

Yes, it seems that the compatibility patch that temporarilly fixes this stuff (until it is made permanently broken soon when everyone will be forced to redesign their websites to work with Internet Explorer ActiveX) is not available for Windows 98SE. This explains why ActiveX works in XP (Windows Update applied the patch) and does not in 98SE (no patch made for it yet).

Sheesh. And no uninstall link is in add/remove for KB912812. Great. Not that I don't want the security fix, but I really could do without it breaking ActiveX.

I noticed folks on the Microsoft community forum complaining about the Macromedia Flash downloads as well. And that was on XP. Perhaps that was before Microsoft issued the compatibility patch.

The Microsoft site said they "may" decide to provide a patch for older versions of Internet Explorer in the future. So I guess there's nothing to be done for now, unless someone could create a 3rd party patch that makes things work the old way.

[charles__]

try this page

http://www.softwarepatch.com/internet/flash.html

or for shockwave and flash. This worked for me

http://www.softwarepatch.com/internet/shockwave.html

Edited May 1, 2006 by charles__

[Eck]

All right! Now you'd wonder why Macromedia hasn't made that prominent on their own site. At least this'll give me a way to install the Flash Active X. I think that Shockwave one just installs Shockwave, or at least the file name is the same one Macromedia offers for its Netscape/Firefox Shockwave installer. That does install Shockwave into both Firefox and Internet Explorer.

But they hide the Flash one. Thanks for finding it!

Now let's hope Microsoft decides to offer its IE patch to 9x versions.

Edit - Oh, that's 10.0.0.16. The new Shockwave is 10.1.0.11. At least that one only installs Shockwave.

No problem, as installing that Flash one then the latest Shockwave will likely fix things up fine.

Edit 2 - Yep! Flash and Shockwave latest versions now on both IE and Firefox. Adobe changed their test so the Flash and Shockwave tests are on seperate pages now, but all is working (except Internet Explorer's downloading of ActiveX installer's, but we know about that).

Edited May 1, 2006 by Eck

[Petr]

I tried the links on both Firefox and Internet Explorer (Windows XP) and they don't seem to latch on to anything. Maybe they moved them?

No, all three links are operational, I just tried them. Just download the first one (install_flash_player_active_x.exe) and run it - it will install ActiveX used by IE.

For completeness here are remaining direct links:

Flash Player 8.0.24 Installer for Firefox/Mozilla/Seamonkey/Opera:

http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flash...lash_player.exe

Shockwave Player 10.1.1.016:

Slim:

http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shock...taller_Slim.exe

Full:

http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shock...taller_Full.exe

This is the test page that will show the version of Flash and Shockwave plugins:

http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/welcome/

Petr

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

The first 3 links are broken.

[Petr]

The first 3 links are broken.

What links do you mean? Mine? They are perfectly OK, please see the server response:

graburl -h http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/licensing/win/install_flash_player_active_x.exe
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:28:21 GMT
ETag: "e0b148-c90b0-59a43740"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 823472
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:51:09 GMT
Connection: close

graburl -h http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/licensing/win/install_flash_player_active_x.msi
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:28:29 GMT
ETag: "d9df14-468e00-5a1e4940"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 4623872
Content-Type: application/x-msi
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:53:06 GMT
Connection: close

graburl -h http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:53:59 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Unix)
Location: http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab
Content-Length: 342
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

graburl -h http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:27:32 GMT
ETag: "4023-b5d7b-56b88900"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 744827
Content-Type: text/plain
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:54:28 GMT
Connection: close

Or what do you mean by "broken"?

Petr

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

They are workin now.at 1st they wasn't.Thank u.

[erpdude8]

Shockwave Player 10.1.1.016:

Slim:

http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shock...taller_Slim.exe

Full:

http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shock...taller_Full.exe

This is the test page that will show the version of Flash and Shockwave plugins:

http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/welcome/

Petr

Speaking of installing Adobe/MacroMedia Shockwave player, WinME users MUST use the FULL version of Shockwave player instead of the SLIM version because the Windows Millennium Edition Preview feature of ME requires some files that are included only from the full edition of Shockwave player.

Note that IE update KB912812 is only available for IE6 SP1 under Win98/ME. New IE 5.5 SP2 updates are no longer being produced so there is no KB912812 patch for IE 5.5 SP2.

[erpdude8]

They are workin now.at 1st they wasn't.Thank u.

they definitely work for me. if the macromedia server doesnt work it means it is probably busy and you should try again later.

here are links to Adobe/Macromedia Flash Player 7 for users who are using relatively slow computers and for those using Win95/NT4-

Flash Player 7.0.63 for IE browsers:

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashpl...r7r63_winax.exe

Flash Player 7.0.63 for non-IE browsers:

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashpl...yer7r63_win.exe

both contain the security fixes from Flash Player 8.0.24.

[eidenk]

Those links sometimes work, sometimes not.

[Eck]

Eureka! MDGx came to the rescue in the 98SE new updates thread.

To fix stuff like Office Update I followed his before, after deal to reapply the older Internet Explorer Cumulative Update. First the HTML update, then the older IE update, then the TSHOOT98 update, then the Maximus-Decim MDAC update. Rebooting between everything.

There was trouble with the IE update, as it didn't replace URLMON.DLL with the older, working version included in the 905915 update. I manually had to extract the KB905915 update and used System File Checker to replace the newer version with the older one from 905915.

905915 has 6.00.2800.1525 there, so I now have that one even though the "QFEInstalled"=dword:00000001 Reg setting is there. I hadn't installed that, though. It was there when I checked it in regedit.

I went to Office Update and it worked, asking to install the ActiveX control and then running Office Update. It installed a couple of newer things I needed successfully.

So ActiveX controllers now ask and install properly.

Edit - I went to Windows Update and it now lists KB912812 again as a critical update. I assume we'd better not reapply that one, eh?

Edited May 2, 2006 by Eck