bphlpt Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Please forgive my confusion, and sorry I missed it, but what was the reason for deciding to use the older version of Paint please? (5.00.1523.1 vs 5.00.1740.1) A link to the explanation will be fine if this was already explained.Cheers and RegardsMSPAINT.EXE 5.00.1523.1Thanks PROBLEMCHYLD, but I'm still a little confused. I usually find that MDGX's site links to the newest version of a file unless there is an issue with either compatibility, features removed in newer versions, or something like that, and I don't see any of those things mentioned at the link you provided. But it must be something like that if the newer 5.00.1740.1 is included with 98ES and you and MDGX are promoting the use of an older version. Is it the Paint Graphic Filters (FLT)? Are they in the 5.00.1523.1 version and not in 5.00.1740.1? Can they not be added to the newer version? It also seems odd to me if there are extra features in the older, smaller, version that are not in the newer, larger, one. I'm not doubting you at all, I'm just trying to get it straight in my head. Very sorry for the noob questions and taking you away from your more important activities, but thank you, my friend, for your patience with me.Cheers and Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBLEMCHYLD Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) ? Edited October 30, 2012 by PROBLEMCHYLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrabrych Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Thanks, but I am not able to reproduce the breakage. Can anyone else confirm this?I confirm!Mspaint.exe 5.00.1740.1 (Windows 98SE) in the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories sequentially exchanged on:Mspaint.exe 4.00.950 (Windows 95)Mspaint.exe 4.90.3000.1 (Windows ME)Mspaint.exe 4.00 (Windows NT4)Mspaint.exe 5.0.2150.1 (Windows 2000)Mspaint.exe 5.1.2600.5512 (Windows XP)None of the above 6 files Mspaint.exe did not generate an error described by TmEE.However, if the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories put the file Mspaint.exe 5.00.1523.1, the error described by TmEE unfortunately occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBLEMCHYLD Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I confirm!Mspaint.exe 5.00.1740.1 (Windows 98SE) in the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories sequentially exchanged on:Mspaint.exe 4.00.950 (Windows 95)Mspaint.exe 4.90.3000.1 (Windows ME)Mspaint.exe 4.00 (Windows NT4)Mspaint.exe 5.0.2150.1 (Windows 2000)Mspaint.exe 5.1.2600.5512 (Windows XP)None of the above 6 files Mspaint.exe did not generate an error described by TmEE.However, if the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories put the file Mspaint.exe 5.00.1523.1, the error described by TmEE unfortunately occurred.I can confirm too. I will remove it because it is not needed if you are not using Microsoft Office 97. Sorry guys for the inconvenience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmEE Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 One thing I now noticed about the older version is that it can open a few more formats like PCX, however in cannot save into these formats so it is not so useful. For opening, conversion and sometimes small edits nothing beats IrfanView, that program supports a lot of image formats when plugins pack is installed too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBLEMCHYLD Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 One thing I now noticed about the older version is that it can open a few more formats like PCX, however in cannot save into these formats so it is not so useful. For opening, conversion and sometimes small edits nothing beats IrfanView, that program supports a lot of image formats when plugins pack is installed too !Thanks TmEE You seem to be the only person with an issue with 3.8/3.9. Since I will fix it in 3.10, I will say we have a 99.9999999999999999 solid build. Since no one has come up with better solutions for USB drivers, I would assume rloew solution and a PS/2 mouse is the best route to go. If no one has any problems with 3.9, then the only change for 3.10 will be removing MSPAINT.EXE. I can then start my new endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix2104 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Hello,I registered at this forum because I felt obliged to say "Thank you" for your work in this project. This also goes to people like Gape, Soporific, MDGx, Maximus Decim and others whose projects I've been using. After MS stopped support for this OS these service packs are invaluable for the average user who wants to keep using these legacy operating systems. Its obvious that you've put a lot of time and effort into this project and even more important, for free, and you deserve a LOT of respect and praise for this.Since you are offering your work to the people for free, I'm not entitled to ask for anything. I would be happier though if you would reconsider your decision to raise the minimum RAM requirements for this package. I've read about the reason that led you to this decision and my view is that in your desire to protect those that are too lazy to read some documents (who perhaps don't deserve to be protected), you are punishing the people who need this service pack the most, i.e. those that are using old computers that cannot run any other OS (not even Linux) and that don't have or aren't able to support so much RAM. I believe that since you've put so much effort into this it's best as many people as possible to be able to benefit from it.Thanks again for your work and thanks for listening. Edited November 1, 2012 by Phoenix2104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBLEMCHYLD Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I have not raised the ram as of yet. So you can install 3.9 if you want. Thank you for your input, and because of your approach, I will NOT raise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix2104 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Thanks again.Good luck in your next project and your life in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBLEMCHYLD Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I will release 3.10 next week. Here are the changes so farAdded 3 missing registry keys for Windows Management Instrumentation - HKCR,CLSID\%CIMWIN32CLSID%,,0,"Microsoft WBEM Managed Object Provider" - HKCR,CLSID\%CIMWIN32CLSID%\InprocServer32,,0,"%11%\WBEM\CIMWIN32.dll" - HKCR,CLSID\%CIMWIN32CLSID%\InprocServer32,ThreadingModel,0,"Both"Cleaned up all INF filesFixed Timestamp for EXPLORER.EXE when patching iconsRemoved MSPAINT.EXE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBLEMCHYLD Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 After examining Auto Patcher, I have found that the only updates thats not included in SP3.x areDirectX 9cInternet Explorer 6Microsoft L2TP/IPSec VPN Client 1.0NET FrameworkNetmeeting 3.01Windows Image Acquisition 1.1 (WIA)Windows Media Player 9 (WMP)I have already added Active Directory Client Extension 5.0.2920.5 core files.ACTIVEDS.DLL 5.0.2172.1ACTIVEDS.TLBADPROP.HLPADSLDP.DLL 5.0.2172.1ADSLDPC.DLL 5.0.2172.1ADSMSEXT.DLL 5.0.2172.1ADSNDS.DLL 5.0.2143.1ADSNT.DLL 5.0.2191.1ADSNW.DLL 5.0.2143.1CMNQUERY.DLL 5.0.2195.1CRYPTDLL.DLL 5.0.2195.1DNSAPI.DLL 5.0.2181.1DSCLIENT.CHMDSCLIENT.HLPDSFOLDER.DLL 5.0.2195.1DSPROP.DLL 5.0.2195.1DSQUERY.DLL 5.0.2195.1DSUIEXT.DLL 5.0.2195.1LOGONSRV.DLL 5.0.2195.1NEGOTIAT.DLL 5.0.2195.4784NTDSAPI.DLL 5.0.2195.1NWAPI32.DLL 4.10.0.1381NWAPILYR.DLL 5.0.2195.1RADMIN32.DLL 3.51.867.1RLOCAL32.DLL 3.51.867.1I'm not sure about these runtime libraries, but do you think they are needed?VB40016.DLL 4.0.24.22VB40032.DLL 4.0.29.24VBRUN100.DLLVBRUN200.DLL 2.0.9.8VBRUN300.DLL 3.0.5.38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bphlpt Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I'm not sure about these runtime libraries, but do you think they are needed?VB40016.DLL 4.0.24.22VB40032.DLL 4.0.29.24VBRUN100.DLLVBRUN200.DLL 2.0.9.8VBRUN300.DLL 3.0.5.38I would vote yes, but you know me. Cheers and Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmEE Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I recall AP not offering to install older VB runtimes when something newer is already installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROBLEMCHYLD Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I recall AP not offering to install older VB runtimes when something newer is already installed.If I understand correctly, there are no newer versions of the specific runtimes that I listed. That would mean they serve no purpose in Auto Patcher nor SP3.x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bphlpt Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) But that's the thing about runtimes. Certain, admittedly poorly written, apps require a specific version of a particular runtime. You see this with versions of VB, VC++ (which is why all of the 2005, 2008, and 2010 versions continue to be updated as required and are usually all installed if any of them are needed), not to mention the worst offender .NET (in XP you can have 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, 3.5, and 4.0 all installed and potentially need all of them depending on what other apps you are running - you can even need v1.0 for a very specific case). So anyway, if you think you are going to need any version of the VB runtimes, you usually install all of them. Besides, if I remember right they are rather small. Cheers and Regards Edited November 5, 2012 by bphlpt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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