fdv Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 (edited) This set is a preliminary to see how it works out.www.vorck.com/data/test-set.zipThis is important: to use this fileset you need to:1. download the files, expand into FDVFILES2. download latest HFSLIP, a minor compatability fix with my files was added3. run HFSLIP October 17th version, tell me how it goes4. you probably have HFSLIP Oct 16th, so check step 35. thanks to tommyp, oleg_ii, and saugatak for all sorts of helpit works fine for me.Here are some changes.help files removedwordpad and converters removedPOSIX subsystem removedOS/2 subsystem removedall bitmaps removedreference to hticons commented out of HIVECLS.INFoptional components like accessability removedall accessories like clipboard and packager removed, except for CALC and PAINTAPCOMPAT.INF removedACCESSOR.INF removeddefragger files removed from automatic installation in TXTSETUPDFRG.INF has been rewritten to install Defragger separately (not installed by TXTSETUP any more)MSHTML.INF has been rewritten to install MS HTML and Help systemAU.INF has been rewritten to install auto update, but needs MSHTML.INFSHELL.INF has been rewritten to install a shortcut that's actually usefulIE.INF now installs an internet explorer dummy fileIEXPLORE.EXE dummy file Copyright Johnathan Howell of datafreak.org.add/remove windows components has been added to Accessoriesa few things i have to leave in for fileset users: MDAC, COM (COM, DTC have been removed from this test set to see how things go). a lot of my fileset users need these components for all sorts of obscure stuff as well as MDAC for databases... which i need too... so for sanity's sake, i am leaving this. as for COM and DTC, i guess that's up for you folks to tell me since i probably don't run all of the apps you do P.S. hey! how's everyone doing on the logo contest???!!? Edited October 20, 2005 by fdv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saugatak Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 FDV I tried your and TommyP's older fileset, not the latest you just posted, and could not boot on VM w/ COM taken out.I'll try new one tomorrow, let you know how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdv Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 allright, good to know, thanks saugatak.perhaps to prevent problems, uncomment the COM and DTC lines in SYSOC and try that. i am more interested in getting the other stuff ironed out anyway right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tain Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) I would like to run w/o COM but won't be able to test it for a couple of days.Also, I had two logos created when photoshop crashed and killed my spirit. I'll try again in a couple of days when I get some free time. Edited October 21, 2005 by TAiN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdv Posted October 21, 2005 Author Share Posted October 21, 2005 TAiN - allright, thanks. Oleg_II and I have tried it. So far it works and has things removed people asked to remove and a few additions people asked for. I am mainly looking for compatability problems. Running without COM and trying out some of the major packages would help out. BTW general info, I will be available less next week because I'll be travelling on business but will be popping in nights (washington dc time).Thanks all for help on this next version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyp Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 FWIW - I typically remove COM+ when using NLITE and have absolutely no problems. I'm not sure if COM+ is the same as COM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg_II Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) I have a small issue that maybe the result of my own tweaking actually: IEXPLORE.EXE can't be found during installation. The popping window is trying to find it in my W2k\inf\i386 (?!).And I checked - by this point it's already in "%Program Files%\Internet Explorer" folder. Something else calling for it at this strange path?Anybody elso who tried has this issue?And on my installation Volume Control seems to be missing.As for COM+ I'm also interested because it takes some time for installing and configuring (at least there is shown during installation).But in general the flight is going good : Edited October 22, 2005 by Oleg_II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyp Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) @Oleg, Have you been playing with that cmd reducing set? Edited October 22, 2005 by tommyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg_II Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 No, I had 4 installation without reducing. But with my regestry tricks The files are on CD but they are not installed (sound volume). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyp Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) Check the guts of MULTIMED.INF. This is the INF that installs the sndvol.exe (the speaker icon) proggie. Edited October 22, 2005 by tommyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg_II Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Interesting thing that fdv not changing it and I'm either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saugatak Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 OK folks, just did testing on latest HFSLIP (51017) using FDV's latest fileset.First, a correction. Earlier I posted that the latest fileset would not boot up on my VM. Turns out it was not FDV's fileset, but a faulty VM. After deleting and re-installing the VM, FDV's fileset worked fine.Second, here are the mods I made to FDV's fileset:a. deleted wsh.inf (want windows scripting back for WordPerfect)b. took out COM and DTCc. took out defrag and wordpadd. manually deleted all languages but Koreane. manually deleted the WINNT and WIN9X upgrade and migration folders.After HFSLIP and the above changes, SOURCESS was 225 MB, which includes 10MB of RyanVM's switchless Java update + 10MB for Korean. Since I think everyone would want the latest Java update (but most would not want Korean) I think it's possible to get SOURCESS to 215 MB, which is a pretty small install.Third, FDV, it seems that the "System Tools" and "Entertainment" Start folders are empty now. I'm guessing that you're leaving them around so that if someone wants to put something back in, those folders will be available.Fourth, I nLited SOURCESS, mainly removing drivers, Western European languages (all except English U.S. which can't be removed) and DRWATSON, which got SOURCESS DOWN to 200 MB. Again, removing Korean would get it down to 190 MB. Of course, you'd want to include Firefox, Thunderbird, IrfanView, WinMediaPlayer alternative and Unclean to replace the systems removed, but that adds only about 30 MB for 220 MB complete install, which leaves plenty of space to add tons of other utilities and programs.Attached please find my nLite mods.Here are the programs that installed and ran fine with DTC and COM removed:1. Microsoft Office (Word, Excel and PowerPoint. No Outlook as FDV fileset removes OE).2. 7zip3. AdAware4. BartPEBuilder5. WinMedia, RealMedia, Quicktime open-source codecs and open-source Win/Real/Quick Alternative Player6. CrapCleaner (DiskCleaner substitute and much better)7. EasyCleaner (free reg cleaner)8. Firefox & Thunderbird9. IrfanView10. Nero11. nLite12. nod32 (great anti-virus checker)13. o&o defrag14. Send To Toys (gives you lots of options on right-clicking file including command prompt)15. TotalUninstall (takes a snapshot of hard drive and registry before installing a program, if you don't like the program, it will put hard drive and registry the way it was. Highly recommended before installing any Norton program, which treats the registry like a cat-litter box).16. UnClean17. WinFaxAcronis TrueImage installed fine, but one functionality, backup select files, did not run. Here's the error message I got: "missing MSVCP60.dll"Not sure whether that dll is installed as part of COM. In any case, it's an easy fix to download that .dll and put it in appropriate folders.Also, one program that generate a series of non-random numbers didn't work.The following programs require IE so I did not bother installing:a. Quickbooks (installed, would not run, IEPatcher did not work)b. Acrobat 7 (did not install, said IE 5.5 needed, IEPatcher did not work)c. PaperPort Pro 9 (did not install, said IE4 needed, IEPatcher did not work).WordPerfect (which is 1000x better than M$ Word btw) which I need did not install. nLite forums say it requires Windows Scripting Host. FDV, I emailed you about this issue.CONCLUSION: I don't think you need DTC unless you run a database program. I think only a few programs need COM. I think it's safe to eliminate both of them. Even if you run into a problem, most likely, all you need to do is download and install a dll or 2 and that will solve it.Last_Session.ini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg_II Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I'm still having this strange bug - can't find IEXPLORE.EXE and offer me finding it in C:\WINNT\inf\I386 (?!). And IEXPLORE is in its folder - "%ProgramFiles%\Internet Explorer" It happens not when copying files but when registering components.ERROR_REPORT.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saugatak Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 @Oleg, I had a similar problem when installing FDV's latest fileset. The install asked where I wanted IEXPLORE.EXE and I had to make the C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer directory.Not a big deal, but would it be possible to do it automatically?@TommyP, on latest install, I put the \BIN and \GRE folders in \HFSLIP\HFEXPERT\WIN folder to install helpexplorer, didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg_II Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) saugatakYou just save my life Or my quiet night B)I'm going to make another last try with the other HFSLIP version and if it doesn't work I just give up FDV what could be the problem?1. I have not altered files except for winnt.sif - I used mine but last time I even change something to be more compatible with your version of winnt.sif (changed my path according to yours).2. I have not installed ANY program twice. Not helpfull.3. I reduced my tweaks during unattended.4. I have not used ANY reducing.5. I tried new test-set with official HFSLIP release and the latest one.Just don't know where I could do wrong Edited October 22, 2005 by Oleg_II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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