HyperHacker Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Space Oddesy was actually quite accurate, they just underestimated the time. The book describes a PDA and everything. It's crazy.As for the idea that there are a limited number of combinations of x, even if said number is unimaginably huge... this is true, but the time it would take to go through them all is ridiculous. Consider how long it would take to generate every possible 8x8 2-colour image... I worked this out a while ago:width = 8height = 8colours = 2pixels = witdh * height = 8 * 8 = 64combos = colours ^ Pixels = 2 ^ 64 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616= 18 qunitillion, 446 quadrillion, 744 trillion, 73 billion, 709 million, 551 thousand, 616 possible images@ 10 images/sec: 1,844,674,407,370,955,162 secmin = sec / 60 = 1,844,674,407,370,955,162 / 60 = 30,744,573,456,182,586hrs = min / 60 = 30,744,573,456,182,586 / 60 = 512,409,557,603,043days = hrs / 24 = 512,409,557,603,043 / 24 = 21,350,398,233,460years = days / 365 = 21,350,398,233,460 / 365 = 58,494,241,735= 58 billion, 494 million, 241 thousand, 735 years to generate all possible images at 10 images/sec------@ 4,000,000,000 images/sec: 4,611,686,018 secmin = sec / 60 = 76,861,434 minhrs = min / 60 = 76,861,434 / 60 = 1,281,024days = hrs / 24 = 1,281,024 / 24 = 53,376years = days / 365 = 53,376 / 365 = 146= 146 years to generate all possible images at 4 billion images/sec------sec = 60# images/sec = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 / 60 = 307,445,734,561,825,860307 quadrillion, 445 trillion, 734 billion, 561 million, 825 thousand, 860 images/sec (307,445,735 ghz) to generate all possible images in 60 sec------# bytes/pixel = 1/8# bytes/image = bytes/pixel * 64 = 1/8 * 64 = 8total size = bytes/image * 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 = 8 * 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 = 147,573,952,589,676,412,928 byteskb = 147,573,952,589,676,412,928 / 1024 = 144,115,188,075,855,872mb = 144,115,188,075,855,872 / 1024 = 140,737,488,355,328gb = 140,737,488,355,328 / 1024 = 137,438,953,472tb = 137,438,953,472 / 1024 = 134,217,728pb = 134,217,728 / 1024 = 131,072eb = 131,072 / 1024 = 128128 Ettabytes (147 qunitillion, 573 quadrillion, 952 trillion, 589 billion, 676 million, 412 thousand, 298 bytes) required to store all possible images' raw data (eg no header)So just to generate every possible 8x8x2 image would take 146 years at modern CPU speeds (4Ghz - actually, 4 billion images per second, not 4 billion instructions), and over 56 billion years at a slow enough speed for people to notice any interesting images being generated (~10 images/sec), and it would take 128 EB to store them all, not counting filesystem, headers, etc. Now that's just a simple 8x8 2-colour image... imagine how long it would take for more complex things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zxian Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 That's interesting. (and a lot of number crunching)However, the calculation for chess (albeit a large number of possibilities, is limited by the way in which the pieces could move. In theory, you could move every chess piece such that you switched sides with your opponent, but you'd surely find a way to put them in checkmate by then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringfinger Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 That's interesting. (and a lot of number crunching)However, the calculation for chess (albeit a large number of possibilities, is limited by the way in which the pieces could move. In theory, you could move every chess piece such that you switched sides with your opponent, but you'd surely find a way to put them in checkmate by then... Agreed... nice number crunching... but someday I do believe processes like these will be equal to rendering a DVD today! You never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epic Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) Great theology Hyper In regards to Odyssy I was referring to that of their calculation to time, but ya some theories they made were based on facts. Quantum Computers would litterally put modern computing to shame.I have no doubts that a modern computer could generate all possible images, the only question is when it would spit them all out, but by that time everyone would be using some kind of fiber optic nerve placed in their body at birth to generate and render computer images and such... Just imagine playing DOOM and feeling as if you were litterally in the game. That would be godly!! We could only imagine............. Edited October 6, 2005 by epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Mulder Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) Then, there is the opinion of digital computers being too complicated to develop that much, and that maybe an analog computer or a mixture is the way to go, such as those analog robotics insects(remember?); imitating life behaviour.New biological robots build themselvesminiature bots can even correct their own mistakes:http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9516845/I think only time will define what is possible and what not... Edited October 6, 2005 by Fox Mulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringfinger Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 I think only time will define what is possible and what not...Very much agreed... given X amount of time, anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Soul Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 the future can hold many things, this is a very wide topic and be pushed in many different directions,i think one day there will actually be ai = artificial intellegence, that will change the way things are done and how we actually precieve life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Kinda reminds me of the a show I like to watch on TV... TekWars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_ Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 It would be the Terminator movies come true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerwin Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 thats true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synapse Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 you know.. i was just thinking this.. but CPU's are already smarter then 99% of the people i've ever met... so to me this article is true. give a CPU a calculus math problem and it'll be done in like a nanosecond... give a calculus math problem to a human and i'd say 75% of the U.S.A. wouldn't know how to answer it. lol.But i do agree with the stuff said at the beginging of this post. CPU's are designs to take orders, not give them. if there is ever a time CPU's "take over" lol... i'll be there plugging in keyboards spamming Ctrl+Alt+Delete..(waits for pics of robots with the BSOD in 2060) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespin Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 SSSSHHHHHHH! My PC is looking over my shoulder .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripken204 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) give a calculus math problem to a human and i'd say 75% of the U.S.A. wouldn't know how to answer it. lol.wtf is up with you. you are giving americans way too much credit, lol. less than .1% is what i think. most ppl cant solve a simple algebra question such as 2x=10, what does x equal? i have really asked ppl stuff like this and they have absolutly no clue. Edited October 16, 2005 by ripken204 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synapse Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 amen Ripken lol! actually i think you're about right.and x = 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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