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Why does this thread continue to get updated? Do you think after the first 3 pages, someone still won't get the hint that in order for them to find their preferred browser, they need to actually try them out? Many people use the same, many use different browsers. Why keep posting "Maxthon!", "Firefox!", "Opera!", "IE!"< etc? What difference does it make? All I say is that as long as it isn't IE, great.

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Internet Explore, Dont see the point using Firefox cuz its "easy" i like fings to be fun lol and i neva had any IE faults yet

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[quote name='Widnez_boy' date='Apr 11 2005, 05:10 PM']Internet Explore, Dont see the point using Firefox cuz its "easy" i like fings to be fun lol and i neva had any IE faults yet
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Well, the millions of other Firefox users certainly see the point in using IE (As mentioned numerous times throughout this ongoing thread). Internet experience is supposed to be "easy". Think about people who are sitting at the computer for the first time expecting to have a blast.

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[quote name='prathapml' date='Jun 29 2004, 06:18 AM']I see too many posts biased towards firefox here - it's not really all that great. Opera will kick-the-pants off firefox/IE any day. [/quote]


I disagree, because Opera for me wasn't any faster than Mozilla Firefox and Opera isn't free, unless you don't mind seeing ads all of the time. :(

Also, you better not say that Firefox is based on IE!!! It's not and it's a lean browser, even when it's using some more RAM than it should.

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You would not notice any speed difference between webpage loading with different browsers unless you time it. I personally use Opera now, but I was a huge Firefox fan. Firefox is not all that great now that hackers, advertisers, etc. are targetting it because of its rising popularity. People should really try Opera. Offers way more features.

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^ @Aegis can you back up anything you said? I tried Opera and the only thing it does better than Firefox imo is Smooth Scrolling. When some people mention Opera and page rendering they're refering to loading pages that are [b]already cached[/b], and were talking only 0.5 seconds. It doesnt load new pages any better or faster in my experience, in fact Opera fails to load alot of website. But what and where are these plethora of features that i missed? Btw dont really mean to put you on the spot, but alot of people like to just assert something without backing it up.

I think alot of people are neglecting to look at the Extensions availible for Firefox. These deliver incredible features that really let the user experience the web as they want to an extent no other software that can match.

btw cool article:

How Firefox Works @ howstuffworks.com
[url="http://computer.howstuffworks.com/firefox.htm/printable"]http://computer.howstuffworks.com/firefox.htm/printable[/url]

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@DigeratiPrime

Proof that Opera is faster:
[url="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#winspeed"]http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#winspeed[/url]

Features not in Firefox:

*Voice Command
*Customization
*Mouse Gestures
*Kiosk Mode
*Fast Forward
*Session Saving
*Notes
*Mail
*Chat
*Small-screen Mode
*Code Validation
*Better Download Manager

As for customization, any visual element of Opera can be controlled down to the menu items. Opera also has a very small memory footprint if configured right.

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Thanks. I did visit the site with the benchmarks, and i tried the 'experiment' myself with Opera and Firefox. As I suspected, my results did not reflect those on the site.

I 'cleaned up' the chart from the site, so its only Firefox and Opera.
[img]http://www.hostpixfree.com/uploads/aa2bd0970f.jpg[/img]

[b]Cold Start[/b]
Firefox roughly 4 seconds, I also use 23 extensions including a 3 day forecast (forecastfox).
Opera about 2 seconds.

[b][url="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/csstest.html"]Rendering CSS[/url][/b]
Firefox 1st time 1109ms, 2nd time 719ms, 3rd time 734ms.
Opera 1st time 1110ms, 2nd time 1078ms, 3rd time 1047ms.

[b][url="http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html"]Script speed[/url][/b]
I cannot give 'accurate' results [i]here [/i]for 2 reasons. On test 2 Firefox opens a new window for each of the 8 popups, this means 8x23 extensions = 8 seconds. Opera unlike Firefox took about 10 seconds TO LOAD TEST 1, yet this doesnt appear in the results. I was able to repeat this behavior after clearing the cache. Nevertheless, I got roughly 6 seconds to complete the test with Opera, and 17 seconds with Firefox.

[b]History[/b]
I did not bother to repeat this test, because it is sort of redundant and long to do. Opera doesnt unload pages from its cache, therefore it doesnt re-render them. However i wish to point out that while initially loading the pages the rendering difference is insignificant, its only obvious when going back and forward to pages already 'downloaded'. If you hit the refresh button, it will take the same amount of time as does Firefox.


I agree those features arent [b]in[/b] Firefox, but doesnt mean they arent availible.

*Voice Command
Isnt this built into Windows?

*Customization
Firefox and Opera allow about the same control over customization by themselves. Firefox though, has extensions like [url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=431&hl=menuedit"]menuedit[/url], [url="http://cdn.mozdev.org/compact/"]compactmenu[/url], [url="http://cute.mozdev.org/"]cutemenu[/url], etc. Where is the customization in Opera better?

*Mouse Gestures
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=5&hl=mouse+gestures"]All-in-one Gestures[/url]
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=68&hl=mouse+gestures"]Mouse Gestures[/url]

*Kiosk Mode
[url="http://www.mozdevgroup.com/clients/bm/#"]OpenKiosk[/url]
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/autohide"]Autohide[/url]
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/almostfullscreen"]Almost Full Screen[/url]
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/fullscreen"]Full Screen[/url]
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/xkiosk"]xKiosk[/url]

*Fast Forward
[url="http://cdn.mozdev.org/linkToolbar/"]Link Toolbar[/url]
[url="http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_rewindforward.html.en"]Rewind/Fastforward Buttons[/url]

*Session Saving
SessionSaver [url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/sessionsaver"]link1 [/url][url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=166"]link2[/url]

*Notes
[url="http://quicknote.mozdev.org/"]QuickNote [/url]

*Mail
[url="http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/"]Thunderbird [/url]w/ [url="http://minimizetotray.mozdev.org/"]MinimizeToTray [/url]:)
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=2316&hl=mail"]Mail Notifier[/url]
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1971&hl=mail"]A's Yahoo! mail notifier[/url]
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=394&hl=mail"]Gmail Notifier[/url]

*Chat
? use a seperate program ? [url="http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]Gaim [/url]or [url="http://www.skype.com/"]Skype [/url]
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=153&hl=chat"]ChatZilla [/url]
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=2597&hl=chat"]Chat'N Search[/url]
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=2425&hl=chat"]Jybe [/url]

*Small-screen Mode
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/smallscreen"]Small Screen Rendering[/url]

*Code Validation
[url="http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/"]HTML Validator[/url]
[url="http://checky.sourceforge.net/extension.html"]Checky[/url]

*Better Download Manager
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=35&hl=download+manager"]Download Manager Tweak[/url]
[url="http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=798&hl=download+manager"]FlashGot [/url]
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/downloadstatus"]Download Statusbar[/url]


I also found these:
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/smoothwheel"]SmoothWheel[/url]
[url="http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/superscroll"]SuperScroll[/url]



phew. Edited by DigeratiPrime

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[url="http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WhyOpera"]http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WhyOpera[/url]
[url="http://nontroppo.org/wiki/Opera"]http://nontroppo.org/wiki/Opera[/url]

Those sites provide lots of answers to your questions. I do not know why you can't reproduce the results from the author of that page, but the author did mention that he was not biased toward any browser, while, not to offend you, you are. Also, you did not start off with the same configurations as he did. Unless you could provide a site with similar contents, I personally do not trust these results.

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im just trying to make the point that it is dishonest to claim that Opera has way more features than Firefox without recognizing that essentially all of these features and MANY MORE exist for Firefox in the way of Extensions. Firefox with Extensions is functionally superior.

I also think the performace difference is overrated. I repeated the tests with a 'bloated' version of Firefox, and found a much narrower performance gap, how is that possible? I think the original experiment may be flawed. I'd be interested in seeing others uphold the experiments results. Its unwise to just go around and repeat the results of one user as a mantra. Does Firefox really take about 12 seconds to start on anyone's machine?

Im just skeptical of the new Opera bandwagon, I tried Opera and wasnt 'blown away' like some people garuntee, in fact I wasnt much impressed at all.

Yes I am biased towards Firefox, but I dont hide that. And I will get to those links tommorow. :)

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wazzzzzzzzzzupppppppp

ie 7 coming soon (as i am sure you guys know), tabs here i come

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