Telegram Discloses Names, Phone Numbers & IP Addresses Of Users, Don't Trust It - Proof!

[D.Draker]

11 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

If the people in charge of Telegram, such as the founder and CEO Pavel Durov, tolerate their service being used for serious crimes such as mass murder, illegal arms and drug trafficking, child pornography, formation of organised crime, organised fraud and so on (the list is almost endless) and do nothing about it, then such subjects must be held accountable. And Pavel Durov is still lucky. He was arrested and charged in the EU (France). Conversely, if such a person from the EU were to be arrested and charged in Pavel Durov's home country, the usual death sentence would not be long in coming.

Fantastic translation! @AstroSkipper is fluent in French! I'm very proud of you, @AstroSkipper. As for the second part, Durov is a French citizen, probably not everyone knows. So he'd br extradited to France anyways, most likely.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/06/26/the-telegram-founder-s-mysterious-french-passport_6037748_7.html

"Pavel Durov, the head of the controversial messaging app, was granted French citizenship in 2021..."

Edited August 27, 2024 by D.Draker
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[D.Draker]

20 hours ago, Karla Sleutel said:

I'm glad I never used Telegram, the name sounded very awkward for me, even though I'm not a native English speaker.

And you were right! The word is stolen from Italian, "Telegramma" (means letter in English), Durov's curators clearly had a very poor imagination and far below average marketing skills.

It's frequently the case when one is on state service. Right, why bother? The funding will come anyways.

 

[AstroSkipper]

6 hours ago, D.Draker said:

The word is stolen from Italian, "Telegramma" (means letter in English)

And they all ended up using the Ancient Greek language. Telegramma consists of two Greek words tele = τῆλε = far, distant and gramma = γράμμα = letter, type. As you put it so aptly, it's all just stolen ... 

Edited August 28, 2024 by AstroSkipper

[D.Draker]

Durov completed training at the military faculty of St. Petersburg State University in the propaganda filed, served as platoon commander in the Russian Armed Forces, Senior Lieutenant.

 

[D.Draker]

Don't underestimate the competence of the French intelligence services: DGSE, DGSI, and the DST.

[Dixel]

On 8/27/2024 at 8:17 AM, Tripredacus said:

The basic gist is that Telegram is one of the few social media platforms that did not accept censorship demands of foreign governments, for good or for bad. Pavel Durov even had this MO when he ran VK.

But Durov's VK did accept those demands of the Russian government, there are literally tons of criminal cases against Russian citizens based on their posts in VK. VK gave out all info, including real addressees to the Russian FSB, plenty of arrests were made, then followed by criminal prosecution. Also, Durov made it even worse, without any announcement, he simply sold the VK platform to another Kremlin/FSB controlled oligarch. People were getting jailed for several yeras old posts.

It's all publicly known. I obviously shan't post any links, those all are easy to find, I don't want to be falsely blamed for "involving politics into forum" nonsense, so I digress.

[Dixel]

Important to mention, making this a standalone post.

Those jailed ones were not committing real crimes (in contrast to the ones Durov is being accused of). They are punished for the disagreement with Russia's policies.

[Tripredacus]

1 hour ago, Dixel said:

But Durov's VK did accept those demands of the Russian government

Was that before or after he got ousted?

[Dixel]

11 hours ago, Tripredacus said:

Was that before or after he got ousted?

"Ousted" is the wrong word here. When someone works for the FSB, he follows the legend given by the curators. So, he simply moved further, onto Telegram, but then again, even Telegram gave out real people identities to the Russia secret police.

There are well known ones among them, plenty of proof (even photographed docs) were placed on Twitter by those prosecuted. It's literally all over the internet. Some 7 years ago a Russian woman was granted political asylum in EU. 

I'm actually against those "asylums", those individuals are recruited by the FSB and planted to Europe. Clear as day play. Of course, there were ones that have nothing to do with the FSB, simple peasants to manufacture cases for the Russia police work.

I'm sure we have FSB shills even here, on MSFN. Russia actually played very good in terms of polluting and controlling the internet, media and software. (Google founder born in Moscow, Russia, what else is there to say?)

Never underestimate your enemy. Fun fact is Russia has zero of their own hardware, not even a single CPU, our Western tech is used against us.

Very welcome to give me a warning/ban/whatever, don't care, but you asked yourself.

[Dixel]

Oh, and before you ban me, think how the alleged billionaire Durov with those 15officially declared billions can't even allow himself an own jet, and rents it?

Come on, really? Now seek for Saudi Arabia Durov's connections and who funded all his projects, those all will link to Russia. He doesn't control "his" money,

Durov is a simple boot (for those who aren't familiar with slang, it means soldier).

[Tripredacus]

Whatever FSB does is not different than what other agencies in other countries do or attempt to do. They are all running shadow games.

[Mcinwwl]

23 hours ago, Tripredacus said:

Whatever FSB does is not different than what other agencies in other countries do or attempt to do. They are all running shadow games.

I'd say it differs from organization to organization. Their methiods, skills, what they are approved to do and what can they do without approval and get away from consequences. All based in organizations system, training, people and culture, both internal and broader way the "society" it is framed into looks at things surrounding them. Not sure if §2b makes it viable to discuss such things in detail, as we might get close to violating it.

I just want to point out, do not make way to gross generalization by treating every case from some broad category (intelligence agencies in this regard) as equal. However similar they migght seem, even a shallow research shows that MI6, CIA, FSB, MOSAD, all have their flavour

[Rod Steel]

On 8/30/2024 at 4:32 PM, Tripredacus said:

Whatever FSB does is not different than what other agencies in other countries do or attempt to do. They are all running shadow games.

Excuse me, but this is extremely naive point. FSB is KGB that change nickname to drop the heat.

Its like in GTA when you have 6 star chase and you drive in paint shop to change paint color and engine number. NPC in game obey the script. But you are alive human been, and not primitive scripted NPC bot, you should understand simple things, right?

FSB\KGB is the most prominent terroristic organization in the world. It stands behind 90% percent of organized world terrorism, from ISIS, to Al-Quaida, Irish National Liberation Army, Taliban, HAMAS. All of this is made possible just cause KGB\FSB.

Chekists came to power at the end of 1917, then never give up power since that year. They still in charge of Kremlin.

Security Services of Democratic countries exist to prevent crime and terrorism. FSB\KGB is a major terroristic organization of the world - it exist to create chaos, corruprion, wars and terrorism across the world.

P.S. Here is a good read about FSB one "special operation": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_Up_Russia

 

[Tripredacus]

On 9/2/2024 at 7:34 PM, Rod Steel said:

Security Services of Democratic countries exist to prevent crime and terrorism. FSB\KGB is a major terroristic organization of the world - it exist to create chaos, corruprion, wars and terrorism across the world.

You will find that people in every country will say the same things about the security agencies in their own country.  

[Saxon]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:38 AM, Tripredacus said:

You will find that people in every country will say the same things about the security agencies in their own country.  

You mean people like from this article? Thankfully, the US still has pros in the FBI to catch those stooges.

"The DOJ says Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, Benny Johnson and others were unwitting Russian stooges."

by Aja Romano Sep 5, 2024, 1:00 PM GMT-8

"Russia secretly paid millions to a bunch of big right-wing podcasters"

"An FBI investigation found evidence that the media outlet RT, previously called Russia Today, which is run by the Russian government, “secretly plant[ed] and financ[ed]” a Tennessee content creation company; the indictment describes Tenet in all but name. The company is then alleged to have stealthily spread pro-Russian, anti-democracy propaganda to millions of people across the internet, primarily via YouTube, TikTok, and other major social media platforms."

https://www.vox.com/politics/370323/tenet-media-russia-what-happened-tim-pool-dave-rubin-benny-johnson-lauren-southern