RainyShadow Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Couple interesting/related articles: The Website Obesity Crisis Is software getting worse? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCyborg Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) Maybe my last post (half-joke, half-serious) was too far away from the previous one. It was in plain sight if you put them together. Funny how discussion on that particular website has lead to correction of a rather silly (but in the context of that website functionality on UXP still seemingly more or less unrelated) defect (regression) in the UXP platform. Edit: 1 hour ago, RainyShadow said: Is software getting worse? Hey, I did post about the mentioned "Software disenchantment" post back in October 2019! https://msfn.org/board/topic/180302-software-disenchantment/ Edited February 9, 2023 by UCyborg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) On 2/9/2023 at 7:19 PM, NotHereToPlayGames said: took a minute or so to realize what "PH" stood for. On 2/9/2023 at 7:45 PM, AstroSkipper said: I was a bit confused, too. On 2/9/2023 at 9:32 PM, mina7601 said: about the meaning of PH. It's better to not guess random meanings, ... Well , if only members here had been following more closely the recent exchange between UCyborg and me, and, more importantly, if link(s) to the official Pale Moon forum had been actually clicked on, then there would have been no room left for disambiguation of the abbreviation "PH" UCyborg used in his reply to me : On 2/6/2023 at 1:55 AM, UCyborg said: Meanwhile on the Pale Moon forum. It's obvious Moonchild did not check the code at all ... thus: On 2/10/2023 at 12:13 AM, UCyborg said: Maybe my last post (half-joke, half-serious) was too far away from the previous one. It was in plain sight if you put them together. ... It appears (drawing from a past recollection of mine) that the "crowd" here is hesitant to click links pointing to MCP's forum, for whatever "deserved" or "undeserved" reasons ... Edited February 10, 2023 by VistaLover 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 56 minutes ago, VistaLover said: if only members here had been following more closely the recent exchange I followed from a distance and "slept since then". I've kind of "lost faith" in the UXP Platform. I still keep the fingers crossed though. Maybe that makes me an "agnostic" regarding UXP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, VistaLover said: ... Well , if only members here had been following more closely the recent exchange between UCyborg and me, and, more importantly, if link(s) to the official Pale Moon forum had been actually clicked on, then there would have been no room left for disambiguation of the abbreviation "PH" UCyborg used in his reply to me : ... thus: ... It appears (drawing from a past recollection of mine) that the "crowd" here is hesitant to click links pointing to MCP's forum, for whatever "deserved" or "undeserved" reasons ... In the German language, it is rather frowned upon to abbreviate anything. In the English language, it is common, especially in forums, but actually a comment should be coherent and understandable. On the other hand, I see clearly why an abbreviation was used in that case. By the way, I don't click on every link that is offered to me unless my curiosity and thirst for knowledge is aroused. Edited February 10, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mina7601 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, VistaLover said: ... It appears (drawing from a past recollection of mine) that the "crowd" here is hesitant to click links pointing to MCP's forum, for whatever "deserved" or "undeserved" reasons ... Well, I don't click these links because I personally don't use Pale Moon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XPerceniol Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 ^Same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Spoken for me only, New Moon and Serpent are the browsers I love to use as often as possible. It's fun and a respite from the Chrome world. And the extensions are unbeatable. Long live UXP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) ... The UXP forks (NM28/St52) offered here by roytam1 (infinite thanks BTW ) are based 99.5% on the same application platform (UXP) that official Pale Moon (and Basilisk) is based on ... Like "our" forum, "theirs" is also inhabited by numerous very knowledgeable members; because the platform is more-or-less common, if issue "A" affects PM, there's a strong likelihood same issue "A" affects NM28 and/or St52... If solution to issue "A" is offered inside the PM forums, then good chances are the same solution will work for NM28/St52, too... Case in point, the recent "discourse" breakage... Fortunately, one can visit the official PM forums and read most content there without a mandatory registration - the site is safe, renders fine in "our" browsers and, frankly, is also a chest full of invaluable knowledge on "legacy" browsers, "legacy" extensions, etc. When I, @UCyborg or some other person here includes a link to the PM forum, should be assumed by the frequenters here that it links to content that is also relevant to "our" browsers , or, at the most extreme, it links to general discussions with tangence/interest to "us", too ... IOW, you don't have to use Pale Moon browser to follow a suggested link to their forum - FWIW, I don't use PM myself, for the simple reason it's incompatible with my OS, however that fact doesn't stop me from visiting their forum for "consultation" on various issues/problems (mind you, the forum is less "hostile" now to read, with "you-know-who" banned from posting ) ... I understand my opinion(s) might not resonate well with everybody here, "c'est la vie" , and, certainly, I don't want to sound unpleasant to some of you, but... Edited February 10, 2023 by VistaLover 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VistaLover Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 5 hours ago, RainyShadow said: Couple interesting/related articles: The Website Obesity Crisis Thank you for this most excellent read ; lengthy, but still excellent! Quote I feel like (web) designers are just waiting for us all to stop using laptops (/desktops). Considering it was written 7 years ago, I wonder what the author would've said about today's "abomination" of the web ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 3 hours ago, VistaLover said: (mind you, the forum is less "hostile" now to read, with "you-know-who" banned from posting ) ... Agreed! I often feel that MSFN could do itself wonders towards the future if it followed this same approach. Less true "today" than six months ago, but still "true". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHereToPlayGames Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 hours ago, AstroSkipper said: In the German language, it is rather frowned upon to abbreviate anything. In the English language, it is common, especially in forums, but actually a comment should be coherent and understandable. Agreed! I had to internet-search this one a good dozen times or so before it finally "sunk in" and MSFN posts that used it were always "confusing" until it FINALLY "sunk in". https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/tldr-meaning-acronym/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkern 4926 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Odd. Without M.A.T why is there still distance between msfn roytams and moon child? Also, some days ago he come into ##palemoon on the libra channel and asked if anyone wanted to explore adding vistaxp back. I think he stayed for 3 days with no response and leave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soggi Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) Did you notice? Just write "PH" and some members who never wrote in this thread leave a message... BTW Porn is still on of the the things which takes most internet traffic, no matter how prudish societies are... 11 hours ago, AstroSkipper said: It's definitely not the negative, decadic logarithm of the concentration of hydrogen ions in a solution. But very funny, indeed! BTW I would really appreciate it, if the understanding of "pH" would increase - chemistry is a great and important subject. I had some semesters while studying chemical engineering back then. 6 hours ago, AstroSkipper said: In the German language, it is rather frowned upon to abbreviate anything. I wouldn't say "frowned upon"...maybe uncommon is more precise!? Sometimes I also abbreviate in German, especially when I'm writing and not talking - but yes, it's more common in English. 1 hour ago, Elkern 4926 said: Also, some days ago he come into ##palemoon on the libra channel and asked if anyone wanted to explore adding vistaxp back. I think he stayed for 3 days with no response and leave. Hell start's freezing? A cooperation would be great...but I don't believe until hell is frozen up! kind regards soggi Edited February 10, 2023 by soggi 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyShadow Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, soggi said: Just write "PH" I thought you guys were joking and playing dumb Well, since i was catching up and had just read the last few pages, the related issue was fresh in my mind. And i don't shy away from clicking links to the PM forums... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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