UCyborg Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 10 hours ago, bookie32 said: What crap will they demand to install Windows 12? Neural link to user's brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunryze Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 end of life for the 21H2 version. i believe its 24 months for consumer versions, 36 for business versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Phizika Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/9/2022 at 6:02 AM, bookie32 said: I have to ask....Is there really any point to this? Microsoft don't want us to use older computers....so why waste the energy? bookie32 Sorry, i understand this is a win11 forum, but why exactly this has to do with using or not old computers in a more general sense? I believe most security issues in kernel exploits are quite overrated because there are ways to partially mitigate them. Desktop windows is becoming as ever as different in other aspects from the system which may turn this harder within time. I know there is a compatibility question with newer programs and program versions or native android applications, but aren't they quite manageable? I'm on windows 7 and i can see significant alternatives in my use. Sorry again i just don't see win10 and win11 even stable enough or performance-wise reliability safe for most production environments. Not to mention most companies are extremely tied to old hardware and are likely not changing if Windows NT is a requirement for their systems or software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Eddie Phizika said: Sorry, i understand this is a win11 forum, but why exactly this has to do with using or not old computers in a more general sense? I believe most security issues in kernel exploits are quite overrated because there are ways to partially mitigate them. Desktop windows is becoming as ever as different in other aspects from the system which may turn this harder within time. I know there is a compatibility question with newer programs and program versions or native android applications, but aren't they quite manageable? I'm on windows 7 and i can see significant alternatives in my use. Sorry again i just don't see win10 and win11 even stable enough or performance-wise reliability safe for most production environments. Not to mention most companies are extremely tied to old hardware and are likely not changing if Windows NT is a requirement for their systems or software. I am not sure I understand....this is a thread about installing Windows 11 on unsupported hardware.....so what part of "Microsoft don't want us to use older computers....so why waste the energy?" don't you understand? You have a use Windows 7 and there will come a time when you can't use that because of the restrictions for newer processors. All unsupported hardware is in Microsoft's view old hardware...I have built several games computers on hardware that cost them a small fortune but because of not meeting the requirements for Windows 11 they either have to do what others are doing here or buy new hardware.... We will never be able to trust Microsoft?!! I get asked to build expensive computers and they don't just cut it after just over three years.... Because the world is in crisis and things are just going to keep getting more expensive....we try to make our computers last as long as possible.....not easy when Microsoft lies and lies over and over again.... Sorry if I was unclear...has been known...lol bookie32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Phizika Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, bookie32 said: I am not sure I understand....this is a thread about installing Windows 11 on unsupported hardware.....so what part of "Microsoft don't want us to use older computers....so why waste the energy?" don't you understand? You have a use Windows 7 and there will come a time when you can't use that because of the restrictions for newer processors. All unsupported hardware is in Microsoft's view old hardware...I have built several games computers on hardware that cost them a small fortune but because of not meeting the requirements for Windows 11 they either have to do what others are doing here or buy new hardware.... We will never be able to trust Microsoft?!! I get asked to build expensive computers and they don't just cut it after just over three years.... Because the world is in crisis and things are just going to keep getting more expensive....we try to make our computers last as long as possible.....not easy when Microsoft lies and lies over and over again.... Sorry if I was unclear...has been known...lol bookie32 Thank you for being charitable and concise in your remarks. I think you were essentially focusing on how microsoft is against old machines in general. This is a point i absolutely believe as well they want to do. they really want to cash cow people and companies out. Edited June 16, 2022 by Eddie Phizika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Eddie Phizika said: Thank you for being charitable and concise in your remarks. I think you were essentially focusing on how microsoft is against old machines in general. This is a point i absolutely believe as well they want to do. they really want to cash cow people and companies out. You are absolutely right....I really am just waiting to see what the criteria for Windows 12 will be....Microsoft has probably deals with Intel and Amd that none of us are aware of....and of course they want you to buy their newest products....what they did with Windows 7 was just the tip of the so called iceberg....(my opinion). One of the main reasons I love Linux...have it on so many computers and it works really well.... bookie32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCyborg Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 It's not hard to get people to buy new crap when those same people are incredibly spoiled, whining and bitching as soon something doesn't happen the very first second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, UCyborg said: It's not hard to get people to buy new crap when those same people are incredibly spoiled, whining and bitching as soon something doesn't happen the very first second. There goes the environment.....I have been building computer's for years and never have I had a computer that has failed...yes sometimes a psu will fail because of a poor electric central....but those computers just keep going and going... I have upgraded many of them with SSD's for system drives and moved the user to a larger drive.....but I always point out the SSD's I use usually have a five year warranty and that if they are going to buy a new computer save the drives from the old one... I try my best to persuade customers to replace a drive instead of buying a new computer....OK....that being said MANY of my customers NOT ALL will not pay for a reinstallation on a new drive if a drive fails or even clone to a newer drive....they have the same answer all of them "can put that money on a new computer instead" I always work even harder on such customers to make them think of te environment - BUT at the end of the day it is up to them.... Now there is another side to this and that is if a computer is already 6 to 7 years old I do point out that...Yes, a new SSD will make things better but it will not change the fact that Microsoft will not support Windows 11 on their hardware and that Windows 10 has end of life 2025... Some customers will still upgrade to a new SSD but many want help with buying a new computer... WE HAVE TO THINK OF THE ENVIRONMENT! IT IS THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE! End of Rant.... bookie32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD 2W10 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/16/2022 at 4:42 AM, bookie32 said: I really am just waiting to see what the criteria for Windows 12 will be.... There will probably be workarounds to install Windows 12 on unsupported hardware. As long as Windows 12 still uses Bootmgr, the kernel still boots in CSM (which it should if it's still NT 10), and doesn't rely on certain processor features, like 8.1-11 x64 do compared to XP-8 x64, we should be able to install Windows 12 on any computer that supports Windows 10 x64. Edited July 19, 2022 by GD 2W10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 7 hours ago, GD 2W10 said: There will probably be workarounds to install Windows 12 on unsupported hardware. As long as Windows 12 still uses Bootmgr, the kernel still boots in CSM, and doesn't rely on certain processor features, we should be able to install Windows 12 on any computer that supports Windows 10 x64. It as bad enough when they released Windows 8 and then 10 but 11 takes the cake....even worse crap than 10... Even if you guys can fix it....not sure I will be wasting any energy on that any time soon.... bookie32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Update! I have followed the instructions here and have installed this on a test computer with no problems.......just as a test My question is....What happens when a newer version comes along? Most of us create images of our computer's with all programs etc.... Do I need to do a fresh install every time they roll out a new version? bookie32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-H Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 My test install of Windows 11 which I have on a separate swappable boot drive, has been fine through all subsequent Windows monthly updates. The problem will come I suspect when a major update is released, probably in October, where it won't allow the update and I will have to do an install from scratch again. Fortunately I gather that this will now only happen once a year, not every six months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dave-H said: My test install of Windows 11 which I have on a separate swappable boot drive, has been fine through all subsequent Windows monthly updates. The problem will come I suspect when a major update is released, probably in October, where it won't allow the update and I will have to do an install from scratch again. Fortunately I gather that this will now only happen once a year, not every six months! Yes....but it is annoying all the same We will wait and see what happens....lol Just thinking out loud...it would be a good idea to build a lite version of this to get rid of all the apps and crap one doesn't want and then you don't have to risk breaking anything with download scripts.... bookie32 Edited June 20, 2022 by bookie32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD 2W10 Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 hours ago, bookie32 said: My question is....What happens when a newer version comes along? You can try upgrading via the second method. However, I recently have had some problems doing so when trying to upgrade Windows 10 to 11 with the "appraisesres.dll" file. It was probably because I used 21H2, so I think you might have to use the 20H2 file. I'll test and see if that's the problem. 9 hours ago, bookie32 said: Do I need to do a fresh install every time they roll out a new version? If the second method doesn't work for you, then yes. You can use a program such as Windows Easy Transfer from Windows 7 or Windows 8.0 to backup and restore files. There's another way to upgrade to a new version of Windows 11 (and many more actually, I just haven't added them yet), which is basically using the Windows 10 1507 or 1511 setup with the Windows 11 install.wim file, but it just ends in a boot loop, and you have to change the registry values in HKLM\Setup to 0 and the Cmdline to "Cmd.exe". I might try to find a workaround for this, but that's the farthest I've gotten so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD 2W10 Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Dave-H said: My test install of Windows 11 which I have on a separate swappable boot drive, has been fine through all subsequent Windows monthly updates. The problem will come I suspect when a major update is released, probably in October, where it won't allow the update and I will have to do an install from scratch again. Fortunately I gather that this will now only happen once a year, not every six months! There are workarounds to allow the update, however, I haven't added them yet. You could try using the second method to upgrade, but you would have to upgrade with a downloaded Windows 11 ISO, as I am unsure if doing the second method with Windows Update works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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