bob_smith Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) I don't currently have screenshots, but Windows 98SE seems to give me errors about random things but especially rundll32, and this happens on login, setup, and just while performing tasks like booting up MS office. I know this behavior doesn't seem to appear on Intel PCs, and it happens on both Virtualbox, and VMware, any fix available for this? Edited October 17, 2020 by bob_smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ximonite Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) I have experienced this exact issue on my Ryzen system. Try using VMware Workstation 12. On my Ryzen system, Windows 98 works properly in a VMware Workstation 12 virtual machine. Edited October 18, 2020 by Ximonite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasyAcquiesce Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Below is an experience of a physical installation only on 8xx chipsets: I've only experienced this on Windows 98, I think???? I've found Windows 98SE isn't as friend with newer hardware compared to Windows ME. Perhaps give ME a try as a last resort; my Dell laptop's explorer.exe keeps crashing with Windows 98SE, but works just fine with ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ximonite Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) On 10/18/2020 at 4:55 AM, FantasyAcquiesce said: Below is an experience of a physical installation only on 8xx chipsets: I've only experienced this on Windows 98, I think???? I've found Windows 98SE isn't as friend with newer hardware compared to Windows ME. Perhaps give ME a try as a last resort; my Dell laptop's explorer.exe keeps crashing with Windows 98SE, but works just fine with ME. When you say 8xx chipsets, are you talking about the Intel 8xx chipsets or the AMD 8xx chipsets? If you are talking about the AMD 8xx chipsets, then I would suggest that @bob_smith tries Windows ME in a virtual machine to see if the results are different. Edited October 19, 2020 by Ximonite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_smith Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Ximonite said: I would suggest that @bob_smith tries Windows ME in a virtual machine to see if the results are different. I'll try that after I try VMware 12 (even though I hate ME lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasyAcquiesce Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) On 10/19/2020 at 7:56 AM, Ximonite said: When you say 8xx chipsets, are you talking about the Intel 8xx chipsets or the AMD 8xx chipsets? If you are talking about the AMD 8xx chipsets, then I would suggest that @bob_smith tries Windows ME in a virtual machine to see if the results are different. I am using an Intel chipset. I've never had access to an AMD chipset. The laptop was also a Dell. Edited October 22, 2020 by FantasyAcquiesce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creopard Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) There is a workaround: https://communities.vmware.com/message/2947137#2947137 Edited October 27, 2020 by creopard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agorima Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) It's better to use PCem for DOS/Win9x. Virtualizing these operating systems is equivalent to install a Ford T engine on their newest car. Edited October 30, 2020 by Agorima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaniel Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 1:06 PM, Agorima said: It's better to use PCem for DOS/Win9x. Virtualizing these operating systems is equivalent to install a Ford T engine on their newest car. It depends on the circumstances. For my projects (all DOS-based), I use 86Box and DOSBox-Staging for compatibility testing, but the former lacks an easy way to get my test files into the system - in DOSBox I can use a shared folder, and in a Win98 VM I can mount my NAS directly and grab files from there. In a DOS environment in 86Box, my only solution is to take the files from my main development system, create a floppy disk image in a XP VM, pop that into 86Box, and then copy the files to the correct place. Not having access to 98 VMs in VMWare was a big enough deal that I almost considered sending back my Ryzen 3900X - I use it that much and it completely messed up my workflow. I ended up settling with using an XP VM (which has 'close enough' compatibility via NTVDM) and using DOSBox-Staging for most of my testing. If I want to test on accurate hardware, I just plop it onto my 486 (well, at least when I have it hooked up, anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyShadow Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Damaniel said: For my projects (all DOS-based), I use 86Box and DOSBox-Staging for compatibility testing, but the former lacks an easy way to get my test files into the system If you use raw disk images, just close 86Box and mount the image in the host using ImDisk. Copy the files, unmount, and start 86Box again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Why not Qemu? In my experience Qemu is a bit on the slowish side, but for DOS, Win9x/ME and NT 4.00 it is more than fast enough. jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_smith Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 VMWare 12 worked, 86box is laggy (I'm on a AMD Bulldozer CPU), and I'm not even sure if Qemu has a UI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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