Win XP Nvidia proper Extended desktop mode, new drivers not support it, i dont know how to use it..

[ruthan]

Hello,
I trying to setup WinXP SP3 32bit extended desktop mode with Nvidia drivers - newest  rom web, but i dont know how to setup it, or extended mode was just removed and i would need some older drivers,
im using Geforce 730 Palit KalmX card. - im using DVI and miniHDMI ports.

  Problem is on Widows display settings - where you can select resolution is only one screen.. i can enable second one through Nvidia panel, but it has not proper extended desktop mode.. Only some horizontal span, so all behaves just like 1 monitor not great - startbar is streched, maximalize window means that is stretched to 2 not one monitor default resolution for games is not 1920x1200, but 3840x1200 etc.
  I can split monitors to 2 virtual monitors true Display fusion but i cant set right one as primary which im used to. 

  True is that it didnt do this in XP for long time, it just worked in the past.. but my guess is that is something "strange" with driver and that extended desktop mode was there on anything from Windows 98+.

  I was ready to "suffer" with only 2 monitors, but i need them to work better. 

  Is there solution? Can some point me to some older driver, where it is fine? If im not wrong Nvidia panel even missing couple of other settings which were already in older versions. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by ruthan

[Rod Steel]

You know, say what exact XP version and driver version you use can be helpfull.

[RainyShadow]

 

[ruthan]

@Rod Steel - newest from web should be enough, its 368.81 .

@RainyShadow -  This is exactly option which i dont see at all, see always only one screen on this picture and this is problem - even when i enable second i nvidia panel i still see only one screen with 3940x1200 resolution. Rainy Shadow, which driver you are using? It could be different for Quadro. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by ruthan

[ruthan]

Here is same problem:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/117094/control-panel-cant-display-extended-dualview/

 Author seems to solved it somehow, but solution is not clean to me.

Edited June 22, 2020 by ruthan

[Rod Steel]

3 hours ago, ruthan said:

368.xx  something

The very last 368 have problems in XP64 version of a driver. That was fixed later by some user Tal Aloni. You didn't write what version of OS still...

Just try, for example, 344.11 driver version...

Edited June 22, 2020 by Rod Steel

[ruthan]

Well, if would use XP 64bit i would mention it as something special.

I tried 353 drivers and its working as expected, there are 2 visible monitors there is addional option in Nvidia panel for extended desktop mode . Now would be great to find driver version where i was broken.  

I made pictures to show difference (i hope that once would be MSFN fixed for Dropbox img links include..):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u37uxlcmnudgagp/Nvidia-2Mon-Problem.PNG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7hijnb38y21twjc/Nvidia-Problem2.PNG?dl=0

 Other mising option, which i need what is not even in 353 driver is GPU forcing of aspect ratio 4:3 on widescreens, i need it for old games.. There is screenshot for this from newer windows, im sure that there was version, where it was worked fine.. I would with which version, actually started removing of features..

  Here is picture, what i mean:
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vae8yssm4k6psh/Scaling.png?dl=0

Edited June 22, 2020 by ruthan

[RainyShadow]

6 hours ago, ruthan said:

which driver you are using? It could be different for Quadro.

 

 

[ruthan]

Yeah, this is exactly what im looking for, but 179.24 really old, i dont even know if it supports Geforce 730, but i guess that is good start for search, with some internal divide mechanism we can find some newer.
  I onld need to find some good old WinXP archive archive, because when i searched older driver for my card on NV site i got oldest 353 and i need something older. I already have my own archive with all releases for Win98, i guess that i would need the same for WinXP, only hassle is that WinXP drivers are 10x bigger.. 

[RainyShadow]

14 minutes ago, ruthan said:

I onld need to find some good old WinXP archive archive, because when i searched older driver for my card on NV site i got oldest 353 and i need something older. I already have my own archive with all releases for Win98, i guess that i would need the same for WinXP, only hassle is that WinXP drivers are 10x bigger.. 

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-bg/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r205373&oscode=ww1&productcode=latitude-d830

 

[ruthan]

I found some release notes collection, but it seems that at least release notes are Vista+ release:
https://www.afterdawn.com/software/version_history.cfm/nvidia_forceware_display_drivers_vista-7_64

  There is also list of supported cards, but if last one 197, its for Geforce 4xx series, i will not work for Geforce 730 for sure.

[RainyShadow]

16 minutes ago, ruthan said:

I found some release notes collection, but it seems that at least release notes are Vista+ release

Why not look for XP instead:

https://www.afterdawn.com/software/version_history.cfm/nvidia_forceware_display_drivers_winxp

[ruthan]

XP link is nicer of course.. i dont expected that it exist.. I dunno if it false detection but Avira (it has lots of false positives) claimed that download from this site has some malware inside, so it would be safer to download from other place.
   Also description dont look XP legid, there are mentioned games like Witcher III, which are not XP compatible for sure..

 In  v334.89  is first time mentioned Geforce 750Ti support, so guess it could support Geforce 730 too, because geforce 730 / 750 are actually low power Geforce 9xx chips, not normal Gefore 760-780 line chips. So its not big range and its quite possible that.. aspect correction was striped before these release, but if my memory works (big IF), i used this feature with Geforce 970, which is are firstly supported from 340.52 driver. 
  There is also mentioned G-Synch support, if G-Synch really works with XP it would be great, but thing its Win7+, still much better than Freesych which is Windows 10 only. 

There is WinXP 32 bit archive on Guru3D but it ends with 306.63 so its not for me:
https://www.guru3d.com/files-categories/videocards-nvidia-geforce-(xp-32-bit).html

 So now i would be nice to find some 330-353 drivers download pages, or be sure that https://www.afterdawn.com/ downloads are clean.

[ruthan]

Ok i got couple of them for testing from various sites - no nice 1 place, so i will test them later:
335.04-desktop-winxp-32bit-english.exe
340.43-desktop-winxp-32bit-english.exe
340.52-desktop-winxp-32bit-english.exe
341.92-notebook-win10-64bit-international.exe
344.48-desktop-winxp-32bit-international.exe
347.88-desktop-winxp-32bit-international.exe
352.86-desktop-winxp-32bit-international.exe

[ruthan]

I met again that one monitor instead two problem, even with older drivers, so it seems to be not related to driver, but to mechanism how monitors are connecter, because of multiboot, im using some HDMI switch and detection of monitor is not typical.. So if some monitor is detected after boot later, it could be enabled only by Nvidia control panel and it seems that i that case, windows are not clever enough.. to update its monitor settings.

  Otherwise i find out that first driver for Geforce 730 is 340 and its already missing that aspect ratio corection, there are 2 options.. first that is not here at all, second is that is only hidden - quite typical for older Nvidia drivers.

Here someone claims that at least with older drivers some cmd command can set it up: // Untested
Create a shortcut and put exactly this:

%windir%\system32\rundll32.exe NvCpl.dll,dtcfg setscaling 1 DA 5

then run it, the screen will flash once. Then reboot.

This is the equivalent for enabling "nvidia display adapter scaling with correct aspect ratio". Works wonders here, using hdmi to Sony hdtv, give it a try! This ONLY works if you're outputting to Digital Flat Panel or HDTV device, don't use this code for other screen types.

 Im lucky for know because my main is clever enough to have that aspect ratio correction inbuild in its logic, but i saw lots of monitors without it, even some quite expensive ones.

Edited June 23, 2020 by ruthan