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Dave-H

XP Driver for AMD HD8180 Graphics and Elan PS/2 Touchpad

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There are some requests to add/fix CCC in the bundle over at AMD. But it is supposed to be just the driver. Normally you won't allow customers of an internet cafe to screw around with driver settings.

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4 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

Ah thanks, scrap that theory then!
That makes it even more strange if that is an official AMD driver, claiming to support the HD8180 under XP, which actually doesn't work!
I'm now wondering if my hardware is different somehow to what the driver was designed for, which would explain everything.
:dubbio:

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OK, I tried MultiRes, but unfortunately I can only boot into the Safe Modes or VGA mode.
Everything else BSODs.
Safe Mode is using the Windows VGASAVE driver, VGA Mode claims to be using the ATI driver.
However in VGA mode if I try to select any higher resolutions with MultiRes, it just says they "cannot be supported".
:no:

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bummer

 

Better see into making a clean separate install of XP for testing.

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That does sound rather a big undertaking, with of course absolutely no guarantee that it will be any different.
If the driver cannot communicate properly with the hardware at a fundamental level, as seems to be the case, I really don't think it will help.

I'm starting to think the unthinkable here now.
I only want to dual boot the netbook because I like having dual boot systems, so I might as well dual boot Windows 7 with Windows 8.1.
Don't worry, I wouldn't be abandoning XP completely, I still use it as my main OS on my desktop machine!

I just think that struggling to get XP working when there's no real reason other that nostalgia for it to be XP, is pointless.
I also can't find a driver that works for the touchpad, which is driving me mad because I can't disable the "tap to click" function.
I've tried a few drivers, but even those that apparently install OK there are no settings available in the interfaces, they're all greyed out.

I think maybe the time has come this time to say this is never going to work properly, so let's look at alternatives.
:(

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You might install debian instead and then use XP in a VM on the laptop. In case you want to try that, do PM me 1st, so we can chat about it some, before you actually start doing some major machine changeover. Since this is off-topic I stop here. :angel  BTW, what AMD processor and how much RAM are in the machine?

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The processor is an AMD A4-1200 APU, with 4GB of RAM.
It's actually a 64 bit machine, but I'm only intending to install 32 bit operating systems on it.
I can't see any great advantage in using a 64 bit OS as the memory can't be physically increased as it's part of the motherboard, not a plugin card.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm really not that wedded to having to have XP on this machine, certainly not in a virtual machine.
I don't see any point, the only advantage would be to have another XP system to compare with the XP system on my desktop which can help diagnostics it something goes wrong.
Otherwise, it doesn't really matter what the second OS is, although I will stick with Windows.
:)

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Can't you go back in time to this point?

If you can have 1366x768, the VGASAVE with acceleration level 5 should be bearable, as a secondary OS.

Try also:

http://qres.sourceforge.net/

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html

or NIRCMD setdisplay:

https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/setdisplay.html

jaclaz

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Thanks @jaclaz.

Yes, I could just try it with the VGASAVE driver for a while and see how it goes, although I'm sure I will find the slow refresh rate (even with acceleration level 5) vary annoying!
Still, as you say I'm only using it as a secondary OS really just for diagnostic purposes on Windows 8.1, so maybe it won't matter.

Does "Qres" provide the same functionality as "MultiRes"? They look very similar.
I already use "MultiMonitorTool" on my desktop, it's a great program, as all of Nir Sofer's are of course! :worship:
His "SetDisplay" tool seems to be another resolution switcher.

I don't actually need anything like that with the VGASAVE driver as I appear to be able to set the resolution levels using the normal Display Properties window.

:)

 

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Yep, they are two separate approaches.

1) be happy with the VGASAVE set at 1366x768 even if a bit slow (but again it is only a secondary OS, so it should be bearable)
2) try experimenting with the (crappy) ATI/AMD driver, I don't know, but maybe if you set it to a "standard" resolution (like - say - 800x600) it may actually boot without BSOD and then (if any of the tools work) you can change the resolution after boot (if it won't BSOD then).

As a side note, there are chances that the current issues are with the "whole" Catalyst package, whilst "only" the driver maybe works.

In the meantime I found a report (Russian, use Google translate) 

 http://gallery.ru-board.com/topic.cgi?forum=81&active=11&topic=5327&start=720

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Hello! 
Help me find drivers for the AMD A4-1200 APU with HD 8180 graphics for the ASUS X102BA. 
Specifically - PCI \ VEN_1002 & DEV_9839 
The only thing I found on the Internet under XP is DriverVer = 01/04/2014, 9.000.300.3001 
But even there the last thing was - 9830-9838. It seems like this is the same Kabini core (Temash?), But with different frequencies ... Added a line for 9839 - the driver was installed and for some time everything worked (resolution was set, 3DMarks passed ...). But then the laptop began to fly out into the blue screen at startup (error 0x000000ea, the first time I noticed after the laptop “fell asleep” - I didn’t wake up ...). After the code 0x000000ea, the following numbers in brackets are different. After that, only reinstalling the driver helps (for a while). 
I continue to search for a driver and ask you to help if there is a ready-made solution ...

which is very similar to your experience, BUT - maybe - if the driver works at "first install", we can find a way to install it at boot and uninstall it at shutdown?

jaclaz

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Yes, that report is an extremely similar scenario, although it does say that the driver will sometimes load without the BSOD. It never does for me!

What a shame they presumably never found a fix!

I did try starting in different resolutions, but anything other than starting in VGA mode from the F8 menu (or Safe Mode of course) causes the crash.

I think at a very fundamental level, the driver is going into an endless loop when it tries to initialise the hardware.

It does usually work OK on very first installation after being removed, and as long as a restart isn't required, I can then change the settings without the crash, but as soon as I reboot, no joy.

:no:
 

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1 hour ago, Dave-H said:

It does usually work OK on very first installation after being removed, and as long as a restart isn't required, I can then change the settings without the crash, but as soon as I reboot, no joy.

:no:
 

Yep, the idea (to be tested) being:

0) install the driver
1) (re-)boot with /basevideo (VGASAVE)
2) automatically (login script or similar automatic start) uninstall and reinstall the driver (and set the right resolution)
3) loop to #1

jaclaz

 

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Thanks, I will certainly checkout the touchpad driver.
If I can get the touchpad working properly with full settings available (at the moment it's just a generic P/S2 mouse) that will greatly influence my decision as to whether to abandon XP on this machine or not!
Cheers, Dave.
:)

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I used SDIO to find the touchpad drivers, there were a huge number of options from many PC manufacturers, a huge package to download, and while I didn't try all of them as it would have taken many hours, I didn't find a single one that actually worked properly of the ones I did try.

They all install, but none produce a usable control panel so you can't actually change any settings. Either the control panel is completely blank, or only a few settings are shown, none of which actually work. As far as I'm concerned, the touchpad is unusable unless the "tap to click" function can be disabled at very least. How people use them with that switched on is quite beyond me, the constant unintentional clicks drive me mad!

I suspect the touchpad on my machine is designed only to work with Asus Smart Gesture, which has no version that will install on XP.

I also found a lot of chipset drivers, but again, none of them will work. Most of them are 64 bit, as it's a 64 bit machine. None of the 32 bit versions have information about the hardware.

As for the graphics driver, I don't think the option to uninstall/reinstall it on every boot will work either, quite apart from the fact that it will horribly slow down the process!
I've done more experimenting, and if I disable the display adapter so I can boot into normal mode, and then enable it, it enables OK, but is still shown as being in 640x480 mode in the Display Properties. As soon as I change that it tries to change the resolution, and then BSODs.
I can't imagine that the same thing wouldn't happen if it was being installed on every boot.
Fundamentally, it's not communicating with the hardware properly, and even if it could be got to work as it should even the once, I suspect it would always be very unstable.

No, I think the time has come to admit defeat here, and accept that some things just aren't possible with XP now.
:(

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