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Updated browsers for Win9x

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By far the worst prob for old Win98 browsers in today's web is outdated https-encryption (SSL/TLS).
Websites insisting to connect with modern TLS1.2 are completely BLOCKED, showing only error pages, usually this infamous one:
Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap

That desaster started only 1-2 years ago with Google's command to encrypt the whole public web with modern standards too, and things went downhill fast. Meanwhile half the internet is broken for old Firefox/Mozilla browsers! Amazingly, old Opera12.02 (needs KernelEx) is still holding up much better, it was amazingly advanced for its time, but now losing the uphill battle too. Lucky the people who can run the last Presto version (Opera 12.15?)

Luckily, especially for Mozilla fans, rescue came from projects like Retrozilla, with TLS1.2, for pure vanilla Windows98.
https://msfn.org/board/topic/174987-x/

And since a few years also from roytam1. Focussing mainly on Mozilla browsers for XP, but occasionally also a special build for older systems.
Such a pity that he doesn't create own topics here for his fascinating Win98-browser updates. But hidden away in the middle of giant melting pot topics in the XP-forum that stuff just gets lost. Only just-for-fun hobby users of retro stuff (like himself) may stumble across it over there.

So what do, to give notice of those gems to more regular users of old systems too? Which are HERE?
Perhaps we can at least collect some links here, for real 9X users, to find that stuff easier.
And there's probably more interesting stuff floating around out there somewhere, from other people, that could be added too.

For longer discussions of single projects it would be better if anyone can create new separate topics around here, to keep that stuff together, then in THIS topic just post the link and a bit description.

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(placeholder for links to some older builds, Fx36 etc)

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Roytam's recent resurrection: K-Meleon 1.5.4 with TLS 1.2! (era Firefox2, for vanilla 98)

First build 2019-12-25 (page 37):
https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my-browser-builds-part-2/?do=findComment&comment=1175258
most of GRE components are replaced with Retrozilla-based build (but not all)

Update 2020-01-08 (page 43):
https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my-browser-builds-part-2/?do=findComment&comment=1175918
archive updated with sha256 and sha384 support.

Download: http://o.rths.ml/gpc/files1.rt/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.tls12.7z
KM-Forum for this build: http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?22,151512

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Note for K-Meleon 1.6:
Anyone using this for real on Win98 (needs KernelEx), and would like to get back read access for wikipedia, twitter etc. too? You can PARTLY upgrade it by "Do-It-Yourself" ;-)
Have played around with this, using blind trial&error method by just copying over some files from KMzilla154 (as I call it). At first it seemed too good to be true, all those crucial domains are finally accessible again, for KM1.6 too. But it's rather shaky, only a crutch. Meanwhile have come across some domains which are still blocked in this messy KM1.6, although they do open fine with roytam's expert build KMz154. After a bit more testing, am now suspecting this tweaked KM1.6 can only open the same domains as Opera12.02? For now that's still a huge step forward, for KM to catch up at least with Opera, but if anyone can figure out more that would be great.
KM-Forum for 1.6:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?2,151536

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Brandnew FUN-resurrection:
100year old PHOENIX browser, now with TLS1.2! (fixing websites denied due to "cipher" errors)

https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my-browser-builds-part-2/?do=findComment&comment=1176643
(page 50)

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On 1/21/2020 at 10:13 PM, siria said:

By far the worst prob for old Win98 browsers in today's web is outdated https-encryption (SSL/TLS).
Websites insisting to connect with modern TLS1.2 are completely BLOCKED, showing only error pages, usually this infamous one:
Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap

That desaster started only 1-2 years ago with Google's command to encrypt the whole public web with modern standards too, and things went downhill fast. Meanwhile half the internet is broken for old Firefox/Mozilla browsers!

I only started caring about using older Windows versions when I dug up the older computers in my house for nostalgic reasons (October 15th 2016). When I used Windows 9x in 2017-2019, my web browser of choice was Firefox 2.0.0.20. In that time, I went from seeing the occasional error message to being blocked from almost 1/2 the web. IME, there wasn't much of a problem with TLS 1.0 connections until mid-2018 at the earliest. It makes me sad knowing a lot of web browsers in upwards of a decade time span are becoming effectively useless due to TLS 1.0 deprecation, and knowing the browsers I used in my early years (Firefox 1.5.x and 2.x) are among those being locked out of the web. Fortunately RoyTam1's web browsers are still an option...

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