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I'd like to give my input on the USB situation. It's required to disable the on-die usb3 controller on your ryzen CPU for stability under Windows Vista. In my case it was dev_149c. With a USB driver loaded for that device, I would get random lock-ups and BSODs. However, said issues no longer occur.

That being said, Windows Vista does have the same issue that affects Haswell+ Intel CPUs on Ryzen, just without the logon/lock screen bugs. The bug occurs with nvidia drivers and DX11 support. It has been found out by @Ximonite that this is due to a "drifting" bug in the Vista HAL which is yet to be fixed.

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4 hours ago, AnX said:

The bug occurs with nvidia drivers and DX11 support

 Care to elaborate ? I use DX11 Nvidia drivers and play DX11 games with zero bugs on 64-bit Vista.

Hardware : GTX Titan , CPU Quad Xeon x3370 , 16GB DDR3 RAM , Fujitsu-Siemens motherboard . You mean I would see the bugs if my mobo had USB 3.0 ?

Yet another PC with the dreaded haswell , but in this case it's running x86 Vista , also : no bugs with DX11 Nvidia (zero). Driver version 373.06. USB 3.0 controller is on , but no drivers installed , the mobo treats all USB inputs as 2.0 and they work at ordinary USB 2 speeds.

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5 hours ago, AnX said:

@Ximonite that this is due to a "drifting" bug in the Vista HAL which is yet to be fixed

I doubt that it will ever be fixed, very much . I'd be glad If I'm wrong , though. In the meantime, I bought plenty of 100% Vista compatible mobos for the several generations ahead.

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On 8/26/2021 at 10:38 PM, Dixel said:

Yet another PC with the dreaded haswell , but in this case it's running x86 Vista , also : no bugs with DX11 Nvidia (zero). Driver version 373.06. USB 3.0 controller is on , but no drivers installed , the mobo treats all USB inputs as 2.0 and they work at ordinary USB 2 speeds.

Windows Vista's x86 HAL doesn't have the drifting bug, which is why the issues that plague Haswell on x64 Vista are absent there.

 

On 8/26/2021 at 10:41 PM, Dixel said:

I doubt that it will ever be fixed, very much . I'd be glad If I'm wrong , though. In the meantime, I bought plenty of 100% Vista compatible mobos for the several generations ahead.

We'll see what happens. Another alternative is of course, KVM with PCI passthrough, which can be done at such a low level, it's basically as if it's running baremetal.

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On 9/1/2021 at 5:26 PM, winvispixp said:

could you list a few here ? :rolleyes:

I think you won't be impressed . Even though they were quite expensive , they aren't for hard core gamers . I prefer German quality , so I always buy Fujitsu Siemens (yes, they were still made in Germany up until 2018, don't know about now). If you want the models , some of them are D3012-a1 GS3 with 16GB DDR3 , D2912-A1 GS2 16GB and I game on a haswell board Siemens Fujitsu D3221-A12 GS2 W26361-W3321-Z3-04-36 , LGA 1150 , DDR3 32GB , it supports SLI . I love their design and quality . none of the Fujitsu Siemens goods have failed me yet. (for decades). Also , got several 24 inch Fujitsu Siemens premium monitors 16:10.

 

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On 9/1/2021 at 3:44 PM, AnX said:

Windows Vista's x86 HAL doesn't have the drifting bug, which is why the issues that plague Haswell on x64 Vista are absent there.

Thanks cap., actually I was one of the first ones to notice it and wrote win32 about it, that's why I game on x86.

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On 9/1/2021 at 3:44 PM, AnX said:

We'll see what happens. Another alternative is of course, KVM with PCI passthrough, which can be done at such a low level, it's basically as if it's running baremetal.

You still didn't answer my question. You wrote the bug has something to do with Nvidia DX11 drivers . 

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3 hours ago, Dixel said:

none of the Fujitsu Siemens goods have failed me yet. (for decades)

i own a fujistu laptop, actually 2 but they are the same model (li2727)

one of them has the chipset fried (i don't know why, i guess it happened because of a power shock) but the batteries are amazing! after like 14 years one of them holds for about an hour and the other one 10 mins

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On 9/4/2021 at 11:52 AM, Dixel said:

You still didn't answer my question. You wrote the bug has something to do with Nvidia DX11 drivers . 

It's the drifting bug in Haswell and newer generation CPUs causing an issue with the nvidia dx11 drivers. You're obviously using a Westmere CPU, so you don't have that bug.

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:15 AM, AnX said:

It's the drifting bug in Haswell and newer generation CPUs causing an issue with the nvidia dx11 drivers. You're obviously using a Westmere CPU, so you don't have that bug.

Well , I have a haswell laptop , it has this bug without Nvidia drivers installed , how woud you explain it then ?

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On 9/17/2021 at 10:19 PM, Dixel said:

Well , I have a haswell laptop , it has this bug without Nvidia drivers installed , how woud you explain it then ?

Intel graphics? In that case the bug affects DX11, not necessarily the drivers. It's still the same bug, a lack of drift correction in the hardware abstraction layer (HAL), which causes the aforementioned problems. It isn't as big of an issue in Ryzen, but it's clearly still an issue.

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On 9/20/2021 at 1:36 AM, AnX said:

Intel graphics? In that case the bug affects DX11, not necessarily the drivers. It's still the same bug, a lack of drift correction in the hardware abstraction layer (HAL), which causes the aforementioned problems. It isn't as big of an issue in Ryzen, but it's clearly still an issue.

I gather you're a Vista fan , right ? In that case you ought to know , there are no Vista video drivers for Intel Haswell at all , so I couldn't install them , even if I wanted to. This bug happens on Vista RTM (without DX11 support) , how would you explain it then ?

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On 9/22/2021 at 5:01 AM, Dixel said:

I gather you're a Vista fan , right ? In that case you ought to know , there are no Vista video drivers for Intel Haswell at all , so I couldn't install them , even if I wanted to. This bug happens on Vista RTM (without DX11 support) , how would you explain it then ?

The drifting bug is even worse with Vista RTM. I don't understand what you mean by "how do you explain", the drifting bug is a byproduct of cheaper clock circuitry in Haswell and newer CPUs and Windows Vista's lack of correction re: timing drift. If you want a more in-depth explanation, @Ximonite would be able to provide it. But this is the gist of the bug and why it happens.

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