MERCURY127 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Yes. It is all. The End. The Great End. No graphics. Just text message on black screen of death. Even with standard VGA driver. Even in safe mode. Have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deomsh Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) Did you try Tihiy's SVGA patch in safe mode? Edited September 7, 2019 by deomsh Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) No, and i think, this cant help - i try just remove vga.drv/vgafull.3gr/vbemp.drv/vbe.vxd from system folder, and see no diff-es. ie, machine crashed exactly in vdd.vxd module, before loading any video *.drv. also, win2k with own standard vga.sys work ok, but vbempnt - not, have code 10. also, this card not support any CGA/EGA graphics modes. only support VGA 640x480 x4 bits, MCGA 320x200 x8 bits, and vesa svga 640x480+ x8/16/32 bits. ie, Alley Cat game, for sample, here is not run... here is some technical details about card: Video Monitor Vendor: BenQ Monitor Model: BenQ BL2411 (BNQ 8011) Video Chip Vendor: Nvidia Corp Video Chip: Unknown Device VESA OEM String: NVIDIA Video Memory Size: 16 MB +-----------------------------------------+ | PCI/AGP Devices | +-----------------------------------------+ PCI/AGP PCI Bus Version: 3.0 Number of PCI Buses: 6 Bus: 01h, Device: 00h, Function: 00h Vendor (10DEh): Nvidia Corp Device (1B81h): Unknown Device Subsys Vendor (10DEh): Nvidia Corp Subsystem ID (1B81h): Unknown Class (03h): Display SubClass (00h): VGA Revision: A1h Interface: 00h Device Properties Device Timing: Fast Memory Access: [X] I/O Access: [X] Bus Master: [X] 66 MHz Speed Support: [ ] Device Resources ROM Address: F7000000h Memory Address: F6000000h - F6FFFFFFh Memory Address: E0000000h - EFFFFFFFh Memory Address: F0000000h - F1FFFFFFh Base I/O Port: 0000E000h - 0000E07Fh System IRQ: 11 Interrupt Pin: INTA# PCI-E Capabilities PCI Express Version: 2.0 Device/Port Type: Legacy PCI-E Endpoint Link Speed: 8.0 GB/s (Current: 2.5 GB/s) Link Width: x16 (Current: x16) Link Port Number: 0 Physical Slot Number: 0 Bus: 01h, Device: 00h, Function: 01h Vendor (10DEh): Nvidia Corp Device (10F0h): Unknown Device Subsys Vendor (10DEh): Nvidia Corp Subsystem ID (1B81h): Unknown Class (04h): Multimedia SubClass (03h): Hi-definition Audio Revision: A1h Interface: 00h Device Properties Device Timing: Fast Memory Access: [X] I/O Access: [ ] Bus Master: [X] 66 MHz Speed Support: [ ] Device Resources Memory Address: F7080000h - F7083FFFh System IRQ: 10 Interrupt Pin: INTB# PCI-E Capabilities PCI Express Version: 2.0 Device/Port Type: PCI-E Endpoint Link Speed: 8.0 GB/s (Current: 2.5 GB/s) Link Width: x16 (Current: x16) Link Port Number: 0 Physical Slot Number: 0 +-----------------------------------------+ | Video | +-----------------------------------------+ Video Video Chip Vendor: Nvidia Corp Video Chip: Unknown Device Subsystem Vendor: Nvidia Corp Video Memory Size: 16 MB Bus Type: PCI-E VESA OEM String: NVIDIA VESA Version: 3.0 Vendor Name: NVIDIA Corporation Product Name: BIOS-P/N@N11313 Chip Rev OEM Software Version: 134.4 VESA Power Management VESA PM Version: 1.0 Standby: [X] Suspend: [X] Off: [X] Reduced On: [ ] PCI-E Capabilities PCI Express Version: 2.0 Device/Port Type: Legacy PCI-E Endpoint Link Speed: 8.0 GB/s (Current: 2.5 GB/s) Link Width: x16 (Current: x16) Link Port Number: 0 Physical Slot Number: 0 VESA Modes Number | Mode |Resolution|Colors| bpp| Features -------+-------+----------+------+----+---------- 101h | Graph | 640x480| 256| 8| Bank + LFB 103h | Graph | 800x600| 256| 8| Bank + LFB 105h | Graph | 1024x768| 256| 8| Bank + LFB 107h | Graph | 1280x1024| 256| 8| Bank + LFB 111h | Graph | 640x480| 64k| 16| Bank + LFB 112h | Graph | 640x480| 16M| 32| Bank + LFB 114h | Graph | 800x600| 64k| 16| Bank + LFB 115h | Graph | 800x600| 16M| 32| Bank + LFB 117h | Graph | 1024x768| 64k| 16| Bank + LFB 118h | Graph | 1024x768| 16M| 32| Bank + LFB 11Ah | Graph | 1280x1024| 64k| 16| Bank + LFB 11Bh | Graph | 1280x1024| 16M| 32| Bank + LFB 145h | Graph | 1600x1200| 256| 8| Bank + LFB 146h | Graph | 1600x1200| 64k| 16| Bank + LFB 14Ah | Graph | 1600x1200| 16M| 32| Bank + LFB 14Bh | Graph | 1920x1200| 256| 8| Bank + LFB 14Ch | Graph | 1920x1200| 64k| 16| Bank + LFB 14Dh | Graph | 1920x1200| 16M| 32| Bank + LFB Edited September 7, 2019 by MERCURY127 MCGA false negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 also, win31 in standard mode work ok with own vga.drv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMateczko Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I haven't had any issues with my GTX 1050 Ti, the standard VGA driver in 98SE worked fine...apart from the usual graphical artefacts. What are your PC specs? Can you try the 1070/98SE on different machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deomsh Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Is win31 Enhanced mode working with XGA (640x480 16 colors)? XGA uses the older 3.0 vga-driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, deomsh said: Is win31 Enhanced mode working with XGA (640x480 16 colors)? XGA uses the older 3.0 vga-driver. Hmm... 640 x 480 x 4 bpp - it is VGA. XGA is 1024 x 768 x 8 bpp - very old IBM vc. Are u sure, that talk about XGA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, MrMateczko said: I haven't had any issues with my GTX 1050 Ti, the standard VGA driver in 98SE worked fine...apart from the usual graphical artefacts. What are your PC specs? Can you try the 1070/98SE on different machines? It is strange. My machine is exactly that, as on previous years - core i7 3770, 8 Gbytes ram. I just add gtx 1070 yesterday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Win31 in protected mode, likely, also cant run... show garbaged logo, then fall in dos... instead decktop. yes, i limit memory to 128 MB before run Win31... 2 hours ago, MrMateczko said: I haven't had any issues with my GTX 1050 Ti, the standard VGA driver in 98SE worked fine... which ur card vendor and model? my is Palit GTX 1070 Super Jetstream... can u dump ur VBIOS from C000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMateczko Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 It's the Inno3D GTX 1050 Ti Twin X2. I'm not at home, can't test it for you, will be back in probably a month or two. But I do remember running 98SE with it with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deomsh Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 4 hours ago, MERCURY127 said: Hmm... 640 x 480 x 4 bpp - it is VGA. XGA is 1024 x 768 x 8 bpp - very old IBM vc. Are u sure, that talk about XGA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Ok, i just mixed XGA and 8514/a... Anyway, XGA is not run. As with VGA and modded SVGA - i just see garbaged 3.1 logo and immediate after this - blinking cursor on black screen. if i try WIN : (run w/o logo) then i get just blinking cursor, w/o any vmode switching. ie all look exactly as VDD* initialization problem. Edited September 8, 2019 by MERCURY127 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deomsh Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Are you using Dblbuf.sys in win31? I once had to use it with a GF 650ti before I could enter protected mode. Try: 1) DEVICE=DBLBUFF.SYS /D (is equivalent to DEVICE=SMARTDRV.EXE /Double_Buffer (loads DBLBUFF.SYS too, '.EXE' is needed in Device-statements). 2) DEVICE=DBLBUFF.SYS /D+ (or: DEVICE=SMARTDRV.EXE /Double_Buffer+). 3) DEVICE=ANSI.SYS DEVICE=DBLBUFF.SYS /D (or /D+) DEVICE=ANSI.SYS (so ANSI.SYS loaded directly before AND after DBLBUFF.SYS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 No, I don't use dblbuff in 31 nor 9x. And before installing 1070 both os was work good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERCURY127 Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 I "try Tihiy's SVGA patch in safe mode"... Now machine do reboot when load vddsvga.386. Ie, again, problem appear when loading VDD modules. Why? What these modules do such horrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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