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Roblox is ending support for Windows Vista/XP

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Roblox is ending support for Windows Vista™ and Windows® XP! Is there any way to bring back an older version of Roblox after it ends support for Vista and XP like people did with steam because i don't want to have to upgrade to Windows® 7+ just to play a game... 

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17 hours ago, Vistapocalypse said:

Your thread could use the Roblox link Support for Windows XP and Vista ending soon.

... And I'm so tired :realmad: reading that same ol' mantra there:

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These operating systems are outdated and unsupported by Microsoft, which means they no longer receive security patches. Furthermore, it’s becoming more and more difficult to support these operating systems ourselves, and by ending compatibility for XP and Vista we can devote more resources to improving the platform for the rest of our players and developers.

As if they (third party software developers) would give one nickel whether someone's setup is secure or not; what is the underlying truth inside this PR talk is that Microsoft themselves make it gradually impossible for third party software developers to target older OSes with their (M$'s) updated Windows SDKs!

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Windows XP and Vista computers make up only a very small percentage of users worldwide

... and it always comes down to that! :angry:

Win7 will soon reach End of Extended Support, hence it'll also be "outdated and unsupported by Microsoft", with no more "security patches"; what is their stance on Win7? 

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We have no current plans to end support for Windows 7. It’s still very popular, and so unofficially, I would say it’s not likely to happen any time soon. We even have a rendering engineer who refuses to upgrade to Windows 10…

Security reasons my... behind! :P

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I think it was the right choice for ROBLOX to end support for XP and Vista, The average ROBLOX player (which are mostly kids and early teens) plays the game on Mobile, or Windows 7, 8.1 or 10, or rarely XBOX ONE

 

There doesn't seem to be any other way to play ROBLOX, Finobe, a old revival with a community that reminds me a lot of a forum's "random" category, doesn't seem to be compatible with XP and Raymonf doesn't want to...

 

At least Minecraft should work with the old launcher.

On 8/9/2019 at 4:08 PM, Windows Vista said:

is there any way to bring back an older version of Roblox

Yeah, but they will not be able to play the games, Unless if it's a revival.

 

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It has occurred to me that the reason why a developer would go the route of stopping their program from launching on XP (rather than saying, it might not work properly from version x going forward) is that the companies are taking this step for data integrity. In other words, allowing people to run on an unsupported OS would mean that an exploit could be used in that scenario that they would not be able to mitigate. Shutting the door is the only way they can think of.

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its more sad in Vista's case in my opinion

because Vista was the os that changed windows 

it introduced desktop manager, wddm driver support and a new memory management model

also Windows Vista and Windows 7 are far more similar under the hood than Vista and XP are

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Right you are! Unfortunately, it's beginning to look like you are the only MSFN member running Vista or XP who is really concerned about Roblox support - or perhaps there is simply no solution.

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The best you can hope for is to use Application Verifier on the desktop client to fake Windows 7 once it starts to block XP/Vista.

However, they may take the opportunity to recompile it with dependencies on DX 11.1 (Windows 8 and up, partially backported to 7) or other Windows 7-specific functions. You may still have a glimmer of hope in the former case, if these DX 11.1-specific libraries can be copied over to Vista with no dependency issues, as that's what happened to later iterations of DX9 with so-called XP-exclusive components; they work in Windows 2000 even without the extended kernel.

All I can say is, keep your copy of dependency walker handy.

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On 8/11/2019 at 10:22 AM, VistaLover said:

As if they (third party software developers) would give one nickel whether someone's setup is secure or not; what is the underlying truth inside this PR talk is that Microsoft themselves make it gradually impossible for third party software developers to target older OSes with their (M$'s) updated Windows SDKs!

Bingo. Rangarok Online had this issue last month, Gravity KR's developers lost the ability to support XP due to newer SDKs. They're using some stopgap to provide XP compatibility for iRO in the meantime, but iRO is also years behind in content. So, who can say how long that compatibility will last.

 

16 hours ago, win32 said:

The best you can hope for is to use Application Verifier on the desktop client to fake Windows 7 once it starts to block XP/Vista.

However, they may take the opportunity to recompile it with dependencies on DX 11.1 (Windows 8 and up, partially backported to 7) or other Windows 7-specific functions. You may still have a glimmer of hope in the former case, if these DX 11.1-specific libraries can be copied over to Vista with no dependency issues, as that's what happened to later iterations of DX9 with so-called XP-exclusive components; they work in Windows 2000 even without the extended kernel.

All I can say is, keep your copy of dependency walker handy.


This is an interesting solution! I'll have to look into this. Do we have a thread on which programs can continue to run under XP using Application Verifier? Might be useful.

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That was directed more towards the Vista users (especially if they dump DX9), though if they stick with DX9 (or use DX10/11 in a way wined3d can handle), application verifier or fcwin2k may work (caveat being W7-dependent functions of course).

I did mention two such programs in the "last software for XP thread".

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Roblox is ending support for Windows Vista™ and Windows® XP! Is there any way to bring back an older version of Roblox after it ends support for Vista and XP like people did with steam because i don't want to have to upgrade to Windows® 7+ just to play a game... 

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On 8/11/2019 at 1:40 AM, Vistapocalypse said:

Ahoy there! This topic would probably attract more attention in MSFN's Windows XP forum. Perhaps @dencorso would consider relocating it? XP has a larger community with more hackers. Your thread could use the Roblox link Support for Windows XP and Vista ending soon. Sorry, but I'm not a gamer myself.

i've now posted what i've said on the Windows XP forums, so people there will also be aware of it!

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/support-for-windows-xp-and-vista-ending-soon/325496

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10 hours ago, Windows Vista said:

i've now posted what i've said on the Windows XP forums, so people there will also be aware of it!

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/support-for-windows-xp-and-vista-ending-soon/325496

There was no need to do that, because your original thread has already been migrated to the XP subforum, as per @Vistapocalypse's request!

Windows XP forums:

https://msfn.org/board/forum/34-windows-xp/

Your original thread (this one - migrated from the Vista subforum):

Roblox is ending support for Windows Vista/XP =>

https://msfn.org/board/topic/179888-roblox-is-ending-support-for-windows-vistaxp/

Your newly started, duplicate, thread:

Roblox is shortly ending support for Windows XP and Windows Vista =>

https://msfn.org/board/topic/179953-roblox-is-shortly-ending-support-for-windows-xp-and-windows-vista/

@dencorso, I am indeed sorry to trouble you, but I'm afraid additional housecleaning is in order! :D

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