Qba73 Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Speaking to a friend today who Deals with M$ has informed me of some news that i think you guys should know. the KeyGen floating around that everyone and there mother must have by now, will in fact not work with the corp edition. It will however work on the Reg Pro and Home edition, at least for now. Reason it will not work for the Corp is cause of the fact that M$ Does leep track of all the VLK's it issues. And when the RTM Sp1 comes out it will deny you access to windows update..and might even lock your computer out forcing a reinstall..however M$ will likly not inculde the latter jus incase it wacks a legit comp...so to tell you the truth if your comp is working fine, sp1 is totally uneccessary. M$ lkeeps track of the VLK's it issues to its mass customers, and if you update to sp1 and your generated copy does not match there internal Database..well then you out in the cold without a coat.The reason SP1 works now with the generated keys is due in part to the fact that it is still a beta, and has only some of the security features implemented..but not all of them. when the final release comes out it will be a diffrent animal than what you see today. M$ closely monitors all forums and records any keys posted (generated ones) and uses our own forums against us, and as guinea pigs. Eventually it is said that they will monitor home and reg pro keys, but for now its logistcally impossible. People who use exsisting corp keys live another day simply because M$ will not go to their mass customers and tell them or issue them a new key..it would cost M$ too much $ in manhours it would have to pay its mass customers to change there keys in their exsisting systems (surely you dont think the customer will pay for M$'s dream of a secure WPA) at least not yet.There is already talk that Longhorn will not incorporate the debackle known as WPA. M$ will eventually downplay WPA cause its a fight that cannot be won...my long time saying of "if it can be written, it can be cracked" comes to mind...ever since win 3.1 to now, History and the future is in the techies favor..M$ will have to rethink its strategy, the more limitations it places on a user and or the price increases just breeds and dares pp to crack them...and with linux fast approaching M$ should choose its battles wisely..Food for thought The internet plays a great role in M$ troubles , cause back in the early 90's the internet was not what it is today, meaning if you were a techie and cracked windows or pirated it, it was kept relatively to your circle, now the internet has made the world a lot smaller and a lot more complicated for M$...maybe this is why thier focus is the internet now....Think about itHowever the keygen is not the once thought of silver lining for all the techies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FthrJACK Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 nice post, very interesting stuff!anyone running corp can reinstall windows, and use a pro key on it, then ring up ms and activate in the normal way, and i expect more legit VLK keys will get leaked, the question is, which ones will be real and which will be generated? and i bet if you install SP1 and it blocks you from updating again, you go format and use pro instead, it will probably have blcked your ip too.so hope your on a connection that you can change your ip on, most broadband users can, and 56k users have nothing to worry about there.most people see it as a game all this stuff, "how to defy / outwitt Microsoft"funny how ms always lose.i had a guy come to change some hardware on my old pc, when it was running beta windows XP, he had a copy issued to his company and he was gobsmacked when i had that, he started talking about how it will be impossible for me to run the final and stuff, till i told him we (the xp beta /pirate comunity) had cracked it already, before it was out.he shut up after that and had a pretty 0wn3d look on his face "if it can be written, it can be cracked"i like that saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Yeah...well, if you think about the scope of things...M$ has been successful in keeping pirating down a good bit. THe average user has no idea that there are keys and such out there. The hacking community though large is very small compared to the population who uses Windows as a whole. No longer can most people take their copy to their next door neighbor and all their buds for a little swapping out. Unless they are in the know and believe me, most around me aren't. Anyway, I guess I'll just stick to what I have without updates then...until the next crack defeats M$'s SP1.Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qba73 Posted June 13, 2002 Author Share Posted June 13, 2002 This post of mine was souly meant for a heads up...there is no need to worry about not getting updates...Always remember "if it can be written i can be cracked" also Sp1 final will undoubtly be crack within hours of release. M$ has dared the tech community with WPA..and the techs will always get the last word...but M$ like you said has done a good job of curbing casual piracy. The internet itself has made M$ job alot tougher in the sense that if someone cracks something no on the net we all know about it..where as in the past (early 90's) it was kept relativly to your own circle or word of mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hp550c Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Hi, Just was thinking about your original post. The problem i see with it is this. If Microsoft were to have all the VLK's in their own database, it would be impossible for them to check everyone's current VLK. Think about it. If you download the network version of SP1 (when it becomes available) and go to install it. THAT specific version would have to have ALL the VLK's that microsoft has issued. Now they could go out to the net and download the VLK's, but i dont foresee that happening since what if some people doesn't have an internet connection (hypothetically speaking). Microsoft cant FORCE someone to get on the internet to download the latest VLK's that are authorized. Microsoft could continually update the network version of the SP1 with current VLK's, but the same problem will eventially arise. If someone downloads the very first one, and 2 months later installs SP1 on a legit copy with a VLK, then Microsoft is going to be getting chewed out like crazy. Now, what i just said above wouldnt apply to the version of SP1 where it only downloads what it needs to update. Since you have to be on the net to download the updates that are needed, it would be very easy for MSFT to keep the authorized VLK's up to date and cross check em with the one your using. That's my 2c.hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoRdUp48 Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 so is there really only one good keygen? I got one sent to me, but I dont know if there is one thats better...a reply would be appreciated... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prnstar Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 I have a copy of the corp edition running and have had it since the final rtm was released. I used the blue list keygen to obtain a key which I tested and made sure i obtained a key that returned a xxxxx640xxxxxxxx test result. I have since installed sp1 and i must say apart from a couple of problems related to style XP and the uxtheme.dll, i have had no trouble at all. Updates appear to work fine. Just relating my experiences in case it interests anyone who plans on doing the same. Will certainly be interesting to see how it works with the final relaese of sp1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aKaFrEE Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 what are all of the different numbers (eg 640)it was posted before...but i was just wondering.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qba73 Posted June 17, 2002 Author Share Posted June 17, 2002 what are all of the different numbers (eg 640)it was posted before...but i was just wondering..Thats The Product ID #, its a hash of your Key and hardwaRE code mashed into one id. the -64x- is the corp block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aKaFrEE Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 thanks...i knew it was the pid but i didnt know all of the numbers that were in the corp block-FrEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleni Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 omg this forum supports warez? i love this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwar Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 omg this forum supports warez? i love this Nope, we don'tit is free for discussion, but any kind of links or help in finding a crack/ cracking something is not tolerated...Welcome to the board by the way, please read our Forum Rulesand also please take a look at thisWe hope you enjoy your stay By the way, do i know you from neowin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war59312 Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 keygen works fine for me right now cause i'll have to wait and see untill sp1 goes finall...dont matter much since people will continue to leak serial... including me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FthrJACK Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 we dont care if you copy windows, we arent microsoft. but we cant have keys and cracks here, or we get closed down (again) so that is why we cant have them. as for PM's well we cant stop that can we and as for warez /crack sites, we cant directly link, but a google link with a relevant search results is ok isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleni Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 omg this forum supports warez? i love this Nope, we don'tit is free for discussion, but any kind of links or help in finding a crack/ cracking something is not tolerated...Welcome to the board by the way, please read our Forum Rulesand also please take a look at thisWe hope you enjoy your stay By the way, do i know you from neowin? well, i was joking about the warez, crackz things, coz i have read the rules before registering an account here yeah im from neowin, and i love this forum's colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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