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caliber

January 1st 2019 / still 4%

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16 minutes ago, caliber said:

it took Google 2 years or so to stop the support for XP and as you might know Google and M$ are close friends now

it depends on how many enthusiasts will be there behind CHROME browser support as @roytam1 is.

 

Correct. So we can reasonably expect that Windows 7 will probably continue receiving Chrome updates until at least January 2022 three years from now. This ComputerWorld article addresses just that in addition to other milestones during Windows 7 end of life (EOL): https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322618/microsoft-windows/the-definitive-windows-7-retirement-timeline-countdown.html

However, I believe that Windows 7 will persist with high market share for years due to the fact that Windows 10 has much higher system requirements (XD or NX bit execute disable bit processor, etc). In contrast, it was relatively easy to install Windows 7 on a Windows XP computer dating back to the original Pentium 233.

Windows 7's market share in January 2022 probably will strongly influence Google's decision either way on whether or not to continue or discontinue support. Infected machines could wreak havoc on the rest of the Internet.

Also, don't forget that Chrome 49 (49.0.2623.112 m) is still highly serviceable on Windows XP. I'm still using it nearly three years later!

Adobe Flash Player updates for Chrome (PepperFlash) still work if you follow my instructions here: http://sdfox7.com/chromexp3.htm

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25 minutes ago, sdfox7 said:

Windows 7's market share in January 2022 probably will strongly influence Google's decision either way on whether or not to continue or discontinue support.

I don't think so.... XP' market share was big enough when they dropped the support for XP.

I'm not afraid for the lack of Windows updates. without support a web browser becomes totally unusable like IE6

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36 minutes ago, sdfox7 said:

Also, don't forget that Chrome 49 (49.0.2623.112 m) is still highly serviceable on Windows XP. I'm still using it nearly three years later!

many sites don't support it anymore and you get a grey background with an error code.

for unknown reasons I was getting BSOD when closing chrome browser (it probably was due to a Nvidia driver conflict)

now I only use it to read my gmail it's incredibly fast and smooth unlike Yahoo mail.

that's it everything has been optimized for Chrome based browsers nowadays! what' a shame :(

 

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12 minutes ago, caliber said:

many sites don't support it anymore and you get a grey background with an error code.

for unknown reasons I was getting BSOD when closing chrome browser (it probably was due to a Nvidia driver conflict)

now I only use it to read my gmail it's incredibly fast and smooth unlike Yahoo mail.

that's it everything has been optimized for Chrome based browsers nowadays! what' a shame :(

 

Care to cite a specific website? Like a link? I haven't had any "gray background" issues accessing any sites. Even my financial sites like Citibank and Capital One load correctly. (I am not going to debate the security of Windows XP in this thread).

Do you have Service Pack 3 installed?

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15 minutes ago, sdfox7 said:

Care to cite a specific website? Like a link? I haven't had any "gray background" issues accessing any sites.

for example https://robotbirds.co.uk/

ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH

 

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3 hours ago, caliber said:

for example https://robotbirds.co.uk/

ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH

According to Qualys SSL Labs, that domain resolves to two IPv4 (104.28.10.185, 104.28.11.185) and two IPv6 (2606:4700:30:0:0:0:681c:ab9, 2606:4700:30:0:0:0:681c:bb9) addresses:

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=robotbirds.co.uk

Looking closer at the log for, say, the first IPv4 server (104.28.10.185),

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=robotbirds.co.uk&s=104.28.10.185

if one scrolls further down to the Handshake Simulation section, one can see that Google Chrome 49 on XP SP3 is unable to establish the secure connection due to handshake failure:

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Chrome 49 / XP SP3  Server sent fatal alert: handshake_failure

Google Chrome 49 (unlike Gecko type browsers) relies on the system installed certificate store and system available cipher suites, on XP SP3 the supported cipher suites are shown in:

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewClient.html?name=Chrome&version=49&platform=XP SP3&key=136

(I believe additional cipher suites should be available if POSReady updates installed); but the server at robotbirds.co.uk does not support any RSA suites, so no go for Chrome 49...

Also, the site requires SNI support in a browser, hence IE8 is also excluded; use FirefoxESR 52, New Moon 28, Serpent 52.9.0 to access; or use @heinoganda's ProxHTTPSProxy with Chrome 49...

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1 hour ago, VistaLover said:

I believe additional cipher suites should be available if POSReady updates installed

Correct. There's a specific POSReady update to support AES, which robotbirds.co.uk supports as well. That should solve your cipher mismatch issue.

There are other, more recent POSReady updates to support TLS 1.2, now required by several web sites.

Can't remember the KB numbers but should be searchable at the POSReady thread.

Note: some POSReady updates require an SSE2 processor. Not sure about these specific ones, but I don't think they do.

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has anyone compiled all the POSReady updates in a exe file or is there a software tool to scan the updates that I have already installed (or missed) ?

 

 

 

 

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can we even talk about that here.  ya on another forum.

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17 hours ago, caliber said:

has anyone compiled all the POSReady updates in a exe file or is there a software tool to scan the updates that I have already installed (or missed) ?

To enable TLS 1.2 in XP (for IE8, Chrome, Skype, and anything else that uses XP's native TLS support) follow the instructions here:

For a tool to list all the updates you have, try NirSoft WinUpdatesList.

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17 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

To enable TLS 1.2 in XP (for IE8, Chrome, Skype, and anything else that uses XP's native TLS support) follow the instructions here:

For a tool to list all the updates you have, try NirSoft WinUpdatesList.

I don't suppose there's a way we could get this working for XP64, is there?

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12 minutes ago, TrevMUN said:

I don't suppose there's a way we could get this working for XP64, is there?

Possibly 2003 server X86.  Maybe after I make a good backup of my 2003 64bit, I'll try.  But I do not use skype or chrome on that system.  Infact I do not even have IE 8 installed on that system I have IE6 locked down, and unusable.  Roytam1s browsers are so good I cannot think of any logical or sane reason to use chrome 49

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5 minutes ago, Destro said:

Possibly 2003 server X86.  Maybe after I make a good backup of my 2003 64bit, I'll try.  But I do not use skype or chrome on that system.  Infact I do not even have IE 8 installed on that system I have IE6 locked down, and unusable.  Roytam1s browsers are so good I cannot think of any logical or sane reason to use chrome 49

Perhaps not. There is, however, the issue of programs that use one or the other as a basis for their web-based apps and launchers ...

(In that example I tried using an undocumented feature to switch the base browser type used for said program's launcher, to no effect.)

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only way probs is to make the server 2008 x64 version work.  might be work, but i do not have the experience or expertise to do that.  Plus i don't have a 2008 box so I can observe its installation procedure.  that being said I am not so sure that IE version has any relevance to it working, and it just comes down to registry values in the end, unless u use IE.

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On 1/3/2019 at 3:34 PM, caliber said:

I don't think so.... XP' market share was big enough when they dropped the support for XP.

I'm not afraid for the lack of Windows updates. without support a web browser becomes totally unusable like IE6

Windows XP had about 26% market share at the end of support in April 2014. (source https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-windows-xp-market-share-2014-2 and https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/weeks-before-expiration-date-windows-xp-still-has-29-os-market-share/ and https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/os-2014-04-640x480.png) Other sources are available but I won't post them all here.

Image below courtesy ArsTechnica

os-2014-04-640x480.png

With Windows 7 currently near 35% (http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide), this means it would have to lose 10% in the next year JUST TO REACH THAT SAME LOW POINT OF THE RANGE. While it's possible, I don't see such a dramatic drop, particularly when you consider macroeconomic factors. The global economy is slowing. It has been cited that the global financial crisis in 2008 contributed to keeping people and businesses on XP for so long. As of today, here in the United States we are dealing with a (currently) 15-day-old government shutdown with no end in sight; 800,000 federal workers aren't being paid and there is a highly polarized political climate. Wild swings in the stock market; with Windows 10 no longer being free, upgrading may be the last thing on people's minds right now.

Finally, my opinion is that people who were going to upgrade to Windows 10 already have. Even XP's market share has remained stable since 2014, and has more market share than most versions of Mac OS X (source NetApplications Desktop OS share for December 2018: https://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options={"filter"%3A{"%24and"%3A[{"deviceType"%3A{"%24in"%3A["Desktop%2Flaptop"]}}]}%2C"dateLabel"%3A"Custom"%2C"attributes"%3A"share"%2C"group"%3A"platformVersion"%2C"sort"%3A{"share"%3A-1}%2C"id"%3A"platformsDesktopVersions"%2C"dateInterval"%3A"Monthly"%2C"dateStart"%3A"2018-12"%2C"dateEnd"%3A"2018-12"%2C"segments"%3A"-1000"}).

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