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On 10/29/2019 at 10:21 PM, IntMD said:

This acpi.sys driver is outdated iirc. It is best to use the modded acpi.sys made by daniel_k, which I've linked earlier.

Tried today... :unsure:

The latest build isn't compatible with AMD Carrizo APU.

At boot, I always get a BSOD (STOP : 0x000000A5)

I will post a message on the Win-Raid forum. :}

 

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Hello everybody,

The acpi.sys file has been update and I have successfully installed XP. :cheerleader:

Here the link to my message on the Win-Raid forum with some screenshots and more details:

https://www.win-raid.com/t4035f45-Windows-XP-Bit-and-Server-Bit-on-Modern-Hardware-227.html#msg96114

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On 11/2/2019 at 10:22 AM, genieautravail said:

Hello everybody,

The acpi.sys file has been update and I have successfully installed XP. :cheerleader:

Here the link to my message on the Win-Raid forum with some screenshots and more details:

https://www.win-raid.com/t4035f45-Windows-XP-Bit-and-Server-Bit-on-Modern-Hardware-227.html#msg96114

Do you know if the ACPI.sys files retain compatibility with all previous systems helped? I just wanna know ahead. If not, then I wanna try organizing and archiving them properly.

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On 11/4/2019 at 8:37 AM, ~♥Aiko♥Chan♥~ said:

Do you know if the ACPI.sys files retain compatibility with all previous systems helped? I just wanna know ahead. If not, then I wanna try organizing and archiving them properly.

It seems that yes. :rolleyes:

Changes are added to the previous ones.

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On 11/2/2019 at 6:22 PM, genieautravail said:

Hello everybody,

The acpi.sys file has been update and I have successfully installed XP. :cheerleader:

Here the link to my message on the Win-Raid forum with some screenshots and more details:

https://www.win-raid.com/t4035f45-Windows-XP-Bit-and-Server-Bit-on-Modern-Hardware-227.html#msg96114

I have posted a message about the missing drivers:

https://www.win-raid.com/t4035f45-Windows-XP-Bit-and-Server-Bit-on-Modern-Hardware-234.html#msg96429

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On 11/9/2019 at 7:54 PM, genieautravail said:

For people who are interested, I have successfully installed XP with ALL drivers on a mini PC powered by an AMD A6-1450 APU. :cheerleader:
XP isn't officially supported by this computer.

It's even not necessary to use a modded acpi.sys file.

More informations on the Win-Raid forum:

http://www.win-raid.com/t5493f45-XP-and-mSATA.html#msg95791

Thanks for sharing your tips and observations.

I was considering similar hardware a while back, but decided to play it safe for XP support with this thing: Foxconn Nettop nT-A3500 with AMD E-350. That one comes with the Radeon HD6310. The Radeon 6xxx series is pretty good for Windows XP when using the right driver version. I also have such a card in a normal sized Desktop. Though for me it remains a trade-off:

- For 3D games with forced "Full Scene Anti-Aliasing 2x" setting: Catalyst version (20)11-10. With atioglxx.dll from driver version (20)11-5 for better OpenGL compatibility.

- For Hardware Accelerated Firefox and Videolan/VLC: Catalyst version (20)12-01 (which unfortunately cannot combine with the above atioglxx.dll).

That is the best I could find after trying many combinations.

Could you maybe try a Direct3D and OpenGL based game on your system with the AMD A6-1450 / Radeon 8250 system?

The downside of the AMD E-350 is that the CPU is pretty weak. Better then the Intel Atom N280, but not all that much. Often it manages in doing the intended tasks smoothly, but other times it just seems to choke or stall. I suppose your AMD A6-1450 has just that bit of extra CPU power to make it more comfortable.

 

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21 hours ago, gerwin said:

Thanks for sharing your tips and observations.

I was considering similar hardware a while back, but decided to play it safe for XP support with this thing: Foxconn Nettop nT-A3500 with AMD E-350. That one comes with the Radeon HD6310. The Radeon 6xxx series is pretty good for Windows XP when using the right driver version. I also have such a card in a normal sized Desktop. Though for me it remains a trade-off:

- For 3D games with forced "Full Scene Anti-Aliasing 2x" setting: Catalyst version (20)11-10. With atioglxx.dll from driver version (20)11-5 for better OpenGL compatibility.

- For Hardware Accelerated Firefox and Videolan/VLC: Catalyst version (20)12-01 (which unfortunately cannot combine with the above atioglxx.dll).

That is the best I could find after trying many combinations.

Could you maybe try a Direct3D and OpenGL based game on your system with the AMD A6-1450 / Radeon 8250 system?

The downside of the AMD E-350 is that the CPU is pretty weak. Better then the Intel Atom N280, but not all that much. Often it manages in doing the intended tasks smoothly, but other times it just seems to choke or stall. I suppose your AMD A6-1450 has just that bit of extra CPU power to make it more comfortable.

 

Hello,

I play very rarely. :zzz:

The last game I have purchased was in 2007... :whistle:

BUT for fun and as I'm curious, I will download some free action games and will try them in the next weeks.

If you know some - not too big - free action games that fulfill your requirements, please, post the links. :cool:

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Thanks for the kind offer, I just searched for suitable software.

For OpenGL test; a Quake engine derived game would suitable, like Call_of_Duty_Dawnville_Demo.exe, which seems to be available here: https://http.download.nvidia.com/downloads/nZone/demos/

For Direct3D 9.0c maybe one of the 3Dmark benchmark suites, edition 2006 or older. Available for free on the official site: https://benchmarks.ul.com/legacy-benchmarks

In Catalyst control center, Graphics Settings, 3D, Anti-Aliasing: Uncheck the "Use application settings". This will force 2x AA mode to improve polygon edges.

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22 hours ago, gerwin said:

Thanks for the kind offer, I just searched for suitable software.

For OpenGL test; a Quake engine derived game would suitable, like Call_of_Duty_Dawnville_Demo.exe, which seems to be available here: https://http.download.nvidia.com/downloads/nZone/demos/

For Direct3D 9.0c maybe one of the 3Dmark benchmark suites, edition 2006 or older. Available for free on the official site: https://benchmarks.ul.com/legacy-benchmarks

In Catalyst control center, Graphics Settings, 3D, Anti-Aliasing: Uncheck the "Use application settings". This will force 2x AA mode to improve polygon edges.

OK, just be patient !

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On 11/23/2019 at 9:16 PM, gerwin said:

Thanks for the kind offer, I just searched for suitable software.

For OpenGL test; a Quake engine derived game would suitable, like Call_of_Duty_Dawnville_Demo.exe, which seems to be available here: https://http.download.nvidia.com/downloads/nZone/demos/

For Direct3D 9.0c maybe one of the 3Dmark benchmark suites, edition 2006 or older. Available for free on the official site: https://benchmarks.ul.com/legacy-benchmarks

In Catalyst control center, Graphics Settings, 3D, Anti-Aliasing: Uncheck the "Use application settings". This will force 2x AA mode to improve polygon edges.

Sorry for that. but the driver for the video controller (HD 8250)  was missing and only an alternative driver (HD 8210) has been installed (without the Catalyst Control Center).

The resolution of the screen is 1600x900 (the monitor is a HP LA2006x).

The screen resolution recommanded for playing with the Radeon HD 8250 is 640x480...

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-hd-8250-igp.c2403

Otherwise, here the results:

For the Call of Duty demo, no slowdowns and no issues for playing with it. :cheerleader:

For the 3DMark06 Advanced Edition 1.2.0:

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I hope that it help you ?

Are they the expected results ? :hello:

 

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Thanks a lot genieautravail ! (=Genius at work?)
So OpenGL and Direct3D are functioning pretty well. Good news. Now I am tempted to mess with such a A6-1450 APU system myself.

I think 640x480 is a really safe recommendation. It depends a lot on the actual workload on the GPU. I can run Flatout 2 on the AMD E-350 in full HD 1920x1080 with comfortable framerate. For some games it may be desirable to add custom resolutions to the driver registry (I use 1440x1080 4:3 a lot myself) and enable GPU video scaling with "maintain aspect ratio". But alternatively one can just use Windowed mode as you are already doing.

There may still be smaller issues here and there, as was my experience with different Win XP drivers for the Radeon 6xxx series. With every driver release they seem to fix some and break some.

While you are at it, I can still come up with questions.
- Why no Radeon Control Center? Is there a problem with it? It has some useful switches for screen-scaling and FSAA. The 2011..2012 Control Center version requires .NET 2.0.
- What is the exact Radeon driver version you are using now (Supporting 8210E).
- There were no visible rendering glitches while running 3Dmark2006?
- Firefox 52 ESR working reliably with hardware acceleration enabled?
- VideoLan VLC v3 media player working with acceleration?

When I have some spare time I will try 3Dmark 2006 myself on two XP systems with Radeon 6xxx graphics, for a performance comparison.


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