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[Destro]

6 hours ago, i430VX said:

Essentially this means something like "We were all young (not full of knowledge and expertise) once."

Essentially the people saying that an AV isn't necessary are (likely) forgetting the times when they weren't so knowledgeable about computers.

No essentially if someone wants to avoid hacks and virus they need to change their habits,  Become knowledgeable by learning.  We are simply saying AV is not gonna save clueless people.  AV doesn't replace good habits and best security practices.  AV is not gonna stop zero day attacks.  But you know what will?  Using brain.

[Mcinwwl]

13 hours ago, Destro said:

No essentially if someone wants to avoid hacks and virus they need to change their habits,  Become knowledgeable by learning.  We are simply saying AV is not gonna save clueless people.  AV doesn't replace good habits and best security practices.  AV is not gonna stop zero day attacks.  But you know what will?  Using brain.

Problem is, that you see the problem in a very binary way. Yes, knowledge and habbits are the best for safety, however, they require time, interestand persistence, which you won't get from most people. And even the interested ones, well, our skills aren't limitless, and there is always some point of failure. As for the zero day attacks, if they are well crafted, nothing can protect you, unless you disassemble and analyze every program before running.

Never said that AV will make you fully protected. But it might be part of the defence line, the more important, the less experienced you are - as it will most likely protect you from obvious traps, that power users tend to fall into less likely :>

And I'll end with that, as I think we were far too off-topic.

[Destro]

I totally disagree with you about nothing can protect you from zero day attacks.  Thats where I am going to stop posting here.  There is no difference between a zero day attack and every other attack out there.  They make their way onto your computer the same way.  By you clicking and, dowloading. and falling for fake web sites,  doing things that you should not be doing that any half way educated person knows you shouldn't do.

People here act like virus and hacks magically get onto their computers the the solution is some AV anti spyware that will magically stop the magical forces.  Im done here.  Please try and learn you will be safer.

[Tripredacus]

Yes let's be honest here. The best practices from the 90s are the same as today. All the things you weren't supposed to do in the workplace still apply to now. There are no new attack vectors from back then. People downloading and running attachments from emails, people replying to social engineering (fake/phishing) emails, people going to porn and warez websites, people downloading things from the internet, these are all the same things from back then. So let's be honest that not everyone who uses a computer now had used one back then. Let's then just go back 5 years. People using a computer on the internet for 5 years or more should be fully aware of these vectors by now and not be fooled by them. But that is not the case. All the things we are reading about online of people getting hacked, or ransomeware or whatever else isn't because it is only new users or children are using the computers. In most cases these are adults who have been using computers for years.

It is this mentality of the users that causes companies to treat their users like children. Always finding ways of stopping their users from installing programs, or going to certain websites, or coming up with plans on how to deal with them. Some of these corporate end people have even created threads here on that subject, like "I have a user that keeps doing this one thing, what program can I use to stop them from doing it." That is not the correct way to handle that type of situation, but it is the same side of the coin because the irresponsibility is being shared between both parts.

Think about it like this. How many people do you know that constantly have to reinstall their OS or keep getting viruses over the years? That is the problem. They are continuing a bad pattern and not adjusting their behaviours so that it doesn't happen again. But instead of changing behaviours or trying to understand what they are doing, people will often just change their antivirus program, or use a different browser, or get a new computer with a different OS on it and then continue to do the same things.

But we live in this world and it is accepted for people to not care about computers in such a way, or that if they have a problem on their computer that they caused then there is nothing they can do about it. Or corporations must treat their employees like children, or that it is OK to pay for a program you probably don't need because you "don't know how to computer" or whatever else. This is "the norm" and has been this way for a long time.