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roytam1

My build of New Moon (temp. name) a.k.a. Pale Moon fork targetting XP

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If name suggestions for the browser fork are being accepted, mine would be Bliss Moon and Blissilisk after the iconic wallpaper. :cool: #SorryNotSorry

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3 hours ago, Matt A. Tobin said:

I have just encountered my third Windows XP user using your builds asking for information and support. WILL YOU PLEASE STOP REPRESENTING YOUR PROJECTS AS MINE. Create your own branding or end your foolish projects.

 

Do this or I will revoke the repository again and start rewriting major parts of it as proprietary software.

So much for the "more constructive approach." I had a feeling this was insincere. :rolleyes:

roytam1 has no control over the actions of those who decide to use his XP-compatible builds. Even if he were to change names, remove references, yada yada yada. there could still be "ignorant" users (or even troublemakers just trolling) who will keep going to the wrong places for support or to ask questions. How hard is it to say "I don't support those builds" and link them here? Much easier than ranting there, ranting here, and rewriting a bunch of code. :whistle:

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Posted (edited)

@roytam1 <--

Maybe RT could upload and list some 'clickable' HTML files that (aim/open) reference
this MSFN.org Support Thread. For the BNAVIGATOR Browser, for download here:

https://o.rths.cf/boc-uxp/

(Added: At above URL -- RT did add a 'clickable' reference that opens THIS Support Thread.
And makes clear that RT 'XP OS' Browsers are NOT Supported by PALE MOON in any way.)

You could upload these four HTML files to URL above, naming them:

bnaa1--CLICK-For-BNavigator-Browser-SUPPORT-Forum-(MSFN.org).html
bnaa2--PALE-MOON-Forum-does-NOT-SUPPORT-the-BNavigator-Browser.html
bnzz1--PALE-MOON-Forum-does-NOT-SUPPORT-the-BNavigator-Browser.html
bnzz2--CLICK-For-BNavigator-Browser-SUPPORT-Forum-(MSFN.org).html

Under a 'NAME' Sort, these HTML files would list TOP and BOTTOM,
bracketing the dated 'bnav' Browser files (versions).

http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser

RT could also make similar HTML 'CLICK' additions at the above URL.
This is something that could be done fairly quickly, as a response to Mr. Tobin.
And It would show that RT is 'doing something' to minimize the problem
of any CONFUSION that the RT 'BNAV' Browser is associated with PALE MOON Browser.
NOT saying this is a full solution, just a possible reasonable suggestion for consideration.

Feedback --> "It's a two-way street, pinhead."
I knew that!  ;)

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10 hours ago, TechnoRelic said:

@roytam1 <--

Maybe RT could upload and list some 'clickable' HTML files that (aim/open) reference
this MSFN.org Support Thread. For the BNAVIGATOR Browser, for download here:

https://o.rths.cf/boc-uxp/

You could upload these four HTML files to URL above, naming them:


bnaa1--CLICK-For-BNavigator-Browser-SUPPORT-Forum-(MSFN.org).html
bnaa2--PALE-MOON-Forum-does-NOT-SUPPORT-the-BNavigator-Browser.html
bnzz1--PALE-MOON-Forum-does-NOT-SUPPORT-the-BNavigator-Browser.html
bnzz2--CLICK-For-BNavigator-Browser-SUPPORT-Forum-(MSFN.org).html

Under a 'NAME' Sort, these HTML files would list TOP and BOTTOM,
bracketing the dated 'bnav' Browser files (versions).

http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser

RT could also make similar HTML 'CLICK' additions at the above URL.
This is something that could be done fairly quickly, as a response to Mr. Tobin.
And It would show that RT is 'doing something' to minimize the problem
of any CONFUSION that the RT 'BNAV' Browser is associated with PALE MOON Browser.
NOT saying this is a full solution, just a possible reasonable suggestion for consideration.

The only confusion that exits is in your's and Tobin's head. No one else is confused by anything.

If Tobin can't post in *BIG BOLD LETTERS ON HIS WWW PAGE THAT WE DO NOT SUPPORT XP- COMPATIBLE  BUILDS OR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OTHER THAN OUR OWN* for every one to see that's *HIS* problem-no one elses.

You really have to wonder if Tobin and those who support him know what an disclaimer is.....

 

Edited by c.lee

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So the confusion doesn't exist except that users are confused and coming to me. Look, I am simply tired of explaining it. I shouldn't HAVE to disclaim downstream projects or explain to user after user how what they are running isn't my project.

You want constructive? Well how about providing a real website, real branding, and real support venues and making it clear that the projects are NOT related to their upstream. Instead of this smattering of low level fragmented non-efforts provided thus far..

I had no intention of returning back here but your users are confused and bothering me. So this becomes your problem.

BUT if you think it will help.. Here: http://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/#faq

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@Matt A. Tobin <--

I actually agree that it is reasonable to request that the current RT websites in use have DISCLAIMERS
that state that PALE MOON does NOT SUPPORT the RT 'XP OS' Browsers.

As far as a RT 'XP OS' Browser WEBSITE, maybe an 'Official' GITHUB.COM site would be a solution.
https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal
MYPAL Browser (XP OS) does use a GITHUB site.

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On 2/27/2019 at 11:43 PM, Matt A. Tobin said:

This is totally unacceptable.. I gave you good faith instructions and you go and act snarky and utterly backhanded with it?

Remove my name, my organization, and my brands from ALL of your pages in that case. All of it. I want no mention of it.

I have to quote this, for the reason why I can't make disclaimer.

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You could just say something along the lines of "These projects have no affiliation with any upstream community code sources or organizations. Please direct all support or related questions to X".

It doesn't take a p***ed off man with a 137 IQ to work that out.

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36 minutes ago, Matt A. Tobin said:

You could just say something along the lines of "These projects have no affiliation with any upstream community code sources or organizations. Please direct all support or related questions to X".

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1 hour ago, TechnoRelic said:

@Matt A. Tobin <--

I actually agree that it is reasonable to request that the current RT websites in use have DISCLAIMERS
that state that PALE MOON does NOT SUPPORT the RT 'XP OS' Browsers.

As far as a RT 'XP OS' Browser WEBSITE, maybe an 'Official' GITHUB.COM site would be a solution.
https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal
MYPAL Browser (XP OS) does use a GITHUB site.

 

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2 hours ago, Matt A. Tobin said:

So the confusion doesn't exist except that users are confused and coming to me. Look, I am simply tired of explaining it. I shouldn't HAVE to disclaim downstream projects or explain to user after user how what they are running isn't my project.

You want constructive? Well how about providing a real website, real branding, and real support venues and making it clear that the projects are NOT related to their upstream. Instead of this smattering of low level fragmented non-efforts provided thus far..

I had no intention of returning back here but your users are confused and bothering me. So this becomes your problem.

BUT if you think it will help.. Here: http://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/#faq

Dude, YOU'RE THE ONE CRYING ABOUT THIS,THAT MAKES IT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THESE BROWSERS BECAUSE YOU ARE AWARE OF THEM.

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2 hours ago, TechnoRelic said:

@Matt A. Tobin <--

I actually agree that it is reasonable to request that the current RT websites in use have DISCLAIMERS
that state that PALE MOON does NOT SUPPORT the RT 'XP OS' Browsers.

As far as a RT 'XP OS' Browser WEBSITE, maybe an 'Official' GITHUB.COM site would be a solution.
https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal
MYPAL Browser (XP OS) does use a GITHUB site.

And it makes just as much sense to have the PALE MOON websites in use have DISCLAIMERS THAT PALE MOON does NOT SUPPORT the RT 'XP OS' Browsers.

It's a two-way street, pinhead.

 

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Matt A. Tobin said: You could just say something along the lines of "These projects have no affiliation with any upstream community code sources or organizations. ".


Seriously? That's dev speak, no normal user will have any clue what especially "upstream" means, and be confused yet more. And riddling what those mysterious other code sources or organizations might be.

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Posted (edited)

LOL, couldn't help drafting such a disclaimer novel ;-P
"For any help, support and discussion of roytam1 browsers, the best place is here: (link to NewMoon topic in msfn)
Attention: Do not under any circumstances bother the PaleMoon team, especially Moonchild and Matt A. Tobin, with anything related to this forked browser, to anything XP-related, or mention any of roytam1 browser builds in the Pale Moon forum. They intentionally removed all XP-support for their products a long time ago, and do NOT tolerate any longer to be bothered by people using forked builds, especially not forks with restored XP support. Only discussion of their own original builds is allowed there. They have very STRICTLY declared this multiple times, in their own forum and also in the MSFN forum. So, please, abide by their request and go to MSFN only for support."

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Added "So, please, abide by their request and go to MSFN only for support."
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Posted (edited)
On 4/23/2019 at 2:07 AM, 3dreal said:

e.g. this instruction video for Winfuture Updatepacks:

https://winfuture.de/UpdatePack

Only download-solution for now: Maxthon 3. it has built-in downloader which is stuck just above the videowindow.

... You don't need an extension in NM27 to download that video to disk; it is being served through HTTPS progressive streaming, so you can use the browser's native Web Console (inside Developer Tools) and filter for ".mp4" links while loading the embedded player:

EX09fAC.jpg

The screengrab is from New Moon 27.9.6 32-bit (the SSE2 compile, running on Vista SP2 x86; you should be able to get the video download link on your SSE compile under WinXP, too! ;)).

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