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Yes, this is what @VistaLover warned us about. The above/below applies to Serpent 52 as well as Basilisk:

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Google has announced that it will no longer provide licensing for its Widevine DRM-enabled streaming content using version 1.4.9 or below after the 30th of May this year (this was originally November, but for undisclosed reasons has been moved forward 6 months). We've been working on the implementation of 4.10 to keep compatibility, but for various reasons (some personal of our defacto media component developer) implementation of the necessary API changes has taken much longer than anticipated and we currently do not yet have 4.10 compatibility in our MSE/EME components in the platform.

This means that new installations of Basilisk that have not yet received a CDM license from Google past this cut-off date will no longer be provisioned with a working decoder, even if the Google Widevine plugin has been installed in it. Existing profiles which have previously used EME DRM streaming should already have a usage license which they can continue to use for streaming, but new installations will not be able to until such time as our implementation of the new API is complete.

IOW, it's gonna be a while before MCP gets Widevine 4.10 working. Kinda irrelevant to XP users since St+Widevine doesn't work for us anyway, but anyone using Serpent 52 on Vista, Win 7, etc. won't be able to access any new streaming services (e.g., Amazon Prime) via Widevine until MCP gets this fixed.

I believe if you were watching Amazon Prime on St 52 before May 30, your existing Widevine 4.9 license will continue to work.

Also, Silverlight is unaffected, so you should still be able to watch streaming services that support Silverlight, such as Netflix, even on XP.

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New build of Serpent/UXP for XP!

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rths.cf/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.2.win32-git-20190601-363bfeb2c-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rths.cf/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.2.win64-git-20190601-363bfeb2c-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-28.6.0a1.win32-git-20190601-363bfeb2c-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-28.6.0a1.win64-git-20190601-363bfeb2c-xpmod.7z

Official repo changes since my last build:
- add main thread only cache for nsIAtoms to speed up atomization dom/base (a3434ba00)
- add main thread only cache for nsIAtoms to speed up atomization xpcom/ds (ddff63b2d)
- remove unnecessary spaces (58ff91d97)
- make HTML parser to use faster atomization in main thread (a371a69a7)
- Lots of time spent maintaining nsDisplayLayerEventRegions (#1116) (622ad88c5)
- Add missing NS_AtomizeMainThread(nameToUse); (7214f0814)
- Fix architecture flag for PPC64 (e24e6346b)
- Issue #1102 - Disable <meta http-equiv=set-cookie> (ca9e6a4fa)
- change for nsNodeInfoManager.cpp (c0c64138c)
- Merge pull request #1114 from g4jc/disable-meta-cookie (722607270)
- Merge pull request #1115 from win7-7/NS_Atomize-cache (915ffc660)
- Make nsFind::Find handle empty string searches. (b89570e31)
- [libpng] Backport an upstream libpng patch. (80eb8e08d)
- NodeInfoManager should use a local cache (449cb277d)
- [js, ARM] Always check error return from BufferOffset::diffB. (a24d62130)
- [IndexedDB] Call SendFailureResult if the actor has been destroyed. (9dfb9401a)
- Avoid some useless ForgetSkippable handling while we're already dealing with snow-white objects. (57e5655e8)
- [Basilisk/Pale Moon] Update region.properties. (764e2a624)
- use memcmp for nsIAtom Equals to improve performance xpcom/ds (733f6b770)
- use memcmp for nsIAtom Equals to improve performance parser/html (bf1e5431f)
- Issue #246 - Revert "Revert "Remove unwanted newtab page code"" (1eca3c3a6)
- Issue #246 - Remove more of compact mode and newtab junk from Basilisk (73d1087fc)
- [media] Rewrite AudioConverter::DownmixAudio (c4e345b6d)
- Merge pull request #1121 from win7-7/nsHtml5PortabilitylocalEqualsBuffer-pr (1f239f817)
- Merge pull request #1119 from win7-7/NodeInfoManager-local-cache (02b10f4bd)
- Add commit message style guidelines (#1117) (a5bef2b46)
- Issue #246 - Remove "enhanced" newtab code from toolkit (8db31d536)
- Issue #246 - Remove "enhanced" newtab code from Pale Moon (97477c1e9)
- Bump platform version for primarily #1112 and #1061 (104cd501a)
- Merge pull request #1122 from adeshkp/remove-newtab-basilisk (63d677035)
- [Pale Moon] Fix event.stopPropagation is not defined when clicking the show/hide tiles on about:newtab (a38cc1a2f)
- [places] Prevent some abuse of smart queries. (5b5743eee)
- Port an upstream Skia fix. (47c52f2dc)
- Improve origin-clean algorithm (fb1b45e5f)
- Update HSTS preload list (c7138e3b9)
- Ensure we AddRef prior to early return in MediaType::Assign. (b3632493a)
- Disallow res external protocol handler. (65991dc1f)
- Make extra sure Compositables don't refer back to layers after reassignment. (9b655e366)
- Tweak some NSPR variables for Darwin. (66b55fbc0)
- Improve efficiency of (C++) heap allocations related to BytecodeEmitter::code. (6cc615bbe)
- Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/UXP (678a41b29)
- Perform a size check when dealing with clipboard data to be sure. (1fe365eba)
- Fix #1091 deprot (50062bdfc)
- Make nsFind::Find actually use a string type as input. (d873bd969)
- Treat *.jnlp as an executable class file, like *.jar (21495c589)
- [WebGL] Enable size limit on Linux. (231155288)
- Show the update UI instantly instead of after 10 minutes of inactivity (cee913be9)
- [Pale Moon] Update the check for updates menu item logic for already staged automatic updates (d197e65f4)
- Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/UXP (363bfeb2c)

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New build of BOC/UXP for XP!

Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rths.cf/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20190601-0c031c3-uxp-363bfeb2c-xpmod.7z
Browser-only Suite Win32 https://o.rths.cf/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20190601-0c031c3-uxp-363bfeb2c-xpmod.7z

source patch (excluding UXP): https://o.rths.cf/boc-uxp/boc-uxp-src-xpmod-20190223.7z

Official repo changes since my last build:
- [PLATFORM] Update commit pointer (0c031c3)

For UXP changes please see above.

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New New Moon 27 Build!

32bit https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190601-b73126108-xpmod.7z
32bit SSE https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190601-b73126108-xpmod-sse.7z
32bit noSSE https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win32-git-20190601-b73126108-xpmod-ia32.7z

64bit https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.6.win64-git-20190601-b73126108-xpmod.7z

source repo: https://github.com/roytam1/palemoon27

repo changes since my last build:
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - Bug 1136379. Clean up the nsPluginHost API a bit. (c39f45953)
 - Bug 1137897 - Do not throw exception from nsPluginTag::GetMimeTypes if a plug-in has no MIME-Types. (9d77c7205)
 - Bug 1103036 - Allow ContentChild to perform tasks during shutdown (342555d90)
 - Bug 1140714 - Pass through remote NS_OpenAnonymousTemporaryFile failure to caller. (04f01ef2c)
 - Bug 1124907 - Call SetCompositor() only when it is valid (2255eeda2)
 - Bug 1145149 - Include IntegerPrintfMacros in PerfSpewer.cpp (0e755cae8)
 - Bug 1146223 - IonMonkey: MIPS: Fix a typo in storeFloat32x3 (36dd95699)
 - Bug 1143686 - Gtk3 - Render scrollbar thumb with margin. (384347c60)
 - Bug 1143686 - Gtk3 - Render scrollbar thumb with margin. (8711babf3)
 - Bug 1142074 - remove NS_{IMPORT,EXPORT}_STATIC_MEMBER_ These have been unused for quite some time, and we have other ways of flagging static variables for export/import now.  Whatever GCC bugs necessitated these macros are long gone as well. (a829ba500)
 - Bug 1139361 - Remove gTLSThreadID*, NS_TLS and mozilla::threads::ID. (4c21669cb)
 - Bug 1138123 - remove xpcom/sample/ as a bygone relic (2a4e33835)
 - cleanup MOZ_THROW_EXPORT inspired from current FireFox removing the MOZALLOC_EXPORT hack (534f81737)
 - Bug 868814 - Fold mozalloc library into mozglue. (324250a8c)
 - Bug 1119482, part 1 - Use CycleCollectedJSRuntime::Get() in the various CC wrapper methods. (3c8638c57)
 - Bug 1119482, part 2 - Move HoldDropJSObjects.h from xpcom/glue to xpcom/base. (c8ef6be30)
 - Bug 1119482, part 3 - Move the Hold and DropJSObjects implementations to a new HoldDropJSObjects.cpp file. (8a128cabd)
 - Bug 1119482, part 4 - Move IsJSHolder into HoldDropJSObjects. (154720b0d)
 - Bug 1141660 - Fix bustage from bug 868814 with --disable-replace-malloc (7f74490b2)
 - Followup for bug 868814 - replace non-obvious #if with simpler alternative. (2a1520452)
 - Bug 1132771 - Add a test for reading all moz.build files in filesystem traversal mode; (49dcae4ea)
 - Bug 1132771 - Support and test for reading without a config object; (b5fa44ed3)
 - Bug 1132771 - API to return moz.build files relevant for a set of paths; (5a53e692a)
 - Bug 1134072 - Remove support for post-eval sandbox callback; (fb63d7eda)
 - Bug 1132771 - Implement strongly typed named tuples; (7acf71487)
 - Bug 1135984 - Avoid setting an empty GYP_DIRS in contexts when reading it. (fceaf9f93)
 - Bug 1134072 - Support for sub-contexts; r=glandium (41a0c2197)
 - Bug 1136456 - Remove leftovers from TIERS support in mozbuild.frontend.reader. (4d5180e25)
 - Bug 1132771 - Pass special types down to sandboxes via metadata; (5126bd8a6)
 - Bug 1132771 - Support reading relevant moz.build files; r=glandium (6f9d6107c)
 - Bug 1132771 - Add Files to moz.build with ability to define Bugzilla component; r=glandium (d5416a6cc)
 - Bug 1132771 - Implement file-info mach command; r=glandium (64b7f8fad)
 - Bug 1132771 - Define some bug components; r=glandium (e4d2b4645)
 - Bug 1139050 - Add moz.build BUG_COMPONENT metadata for xpcom/. (ea30ac906)
 - Bug 1139050, part 2 - Move nsAlgorithm.h to xpcom/base. (21abdde35)
 - Bug 1134920 - Use moz_xmalloc/moz_xrealloc/free instead of nsMemory:Alloc/Realloc/Free. (5a00f0487)
 - Bug 1134920 - Remove nsMemory::Alloc/Realloc/Free. (514d8e8eb)
 - Bug 1120308 - tcp control channel for presentation api. (f3ee09a89)
 - Bug 1125698 - Add ExpandErrorArguments() varargs helper function and remove uninitialized `dummy` va_list variable. (f9fdcd1db)
 - Bug 1101627 - Add touch action regions. (6e86516f3)
 - Bug 1092102 - Implement a WorkerDebuggerGlobalScope (4b3195921)
 - Bug 1036967 - Introduce ScaleFactors2D. (2a80be7d6)
 - Bug 1071018 - Work around an assertion (will be fixed properly in bug 1036967). (3f62cfa03)
 - Bug 1023190 - Fix extra horizontal line when draw background image with repeat-x mode (5ab11f642)
 - Bug 1135992 - Fix non-unified build failed in nsLayoutUtils.cpp. (8f8fcace8)
 - Bug 1133492 - Extract some of nsPresShell into a separate TouchManager class. (9ac347878)
 - Bug 1133492 - Extract some of nsPresShell into a separate TouchManager class. (37181a8a3)
 - Bug 1122094 - Remove some unnecessary code. (6c3b1abe2)
 - Don't async scroll overflowed single-line text boxes in APZ. (bug 1126090 part 6) (435d9d186) (365b9b17b)
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - revert PaleMoon HSCROLL (077a87aed)
 - If APZ is enabled, do not handle wheel-event scrolling in layout. (bug 1126090 part 1) (8c0ba79d6)
 - Factor out how APZ-aware events are dispatched from widgets. (bug 1126090 part 2) (fb6b7e57b)
 - Events synthesized in the child process must be propagated back to the parent. (bug 1126090 part 3) (5a4c9439e)
 - Translate coordinates in events synthesized from the child process. (bug 1126090 part 4) (5148f7fc2)
 - Wait for all paints to flush before synthesizing scroll events. (bug 1126090 part 5) (b99a19995)
 - Don't try to async scroll frames that have less than one pixel of scrollability. (bug 1126090 part 7) (475ffa090) (30bc5e7c6)
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - Bug 1148903 - Allow control characters to be rendered by user fonts. (679bff6bf)
 - initialize webp with different mode depending on endianness (part 2) (cf2429214) (53ea38ac7)
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - Bug 914666 - Exclude the frame borders from the composition bounds. (7fd2f59c1)
 - Bug 1137232 - Fix dumping of client layers so it doesn't get truncated. (926eb6c57)
 - bug 1127794 - With remote content calculate and store plugin geometry updates prior to the end of the shadow layer transaction. (c40120d79) (b73126108)

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New regular/weekly KM-Goanna release:
https://o.rths.cf/kmeleon/KM76.2-Goanna-20190601.7z

Changelog:

Out-of-tree changes:
* update Goanna3 to git 8e9351569..b73126108:
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - Bug 1136379. Clean up the nsPluginHost API a bit. (c39f45953)
 - Bug 1137897 - Do not throw exception from nsPluginTag::GetMimeTypes if a plug-in has no MIME-Types. (9d77c7205)
 - Bug 1103036 - Allow ContentChild to perform tasks during shutdown (342555d90)
 - Bug 1140714 - Pass through remote NS_OpenAnonymousTemporaryFile failure to caller. (04f01ef2c)
 - Bug 1124907 - Call SetCompositor() only when it is valid (2255eeda2)
 - Bug 1145149 - Include IntegerPrintfMacros in PerfSpewer.cpp (0e755cae8)
 - Bug 1146223 - IonMonkey: MIPS: Fix a typo in storeFloat32x3 (36dd95699)
 - Bug 1143686 - Gtk3 - Render scrollbar thumb with margin. (384347c60)
 - Bug 1143686 - Gtk3 - Render scrollbar thumb with margin. (8711babf3)
 - Bug 1142074 - remove NS_{IMPORT,EXPORT}_STATIC_MEMBER_ These have been unused for quite some time, and we have other ways of flagging static variables for export/import now.  Whatever GCC bugs necessitated these macros are long gone as well. (a829ba500)
 - Bug 1139361 - Remove gTLSThreadID*, NS_TLS and mozilla::threads::ID. (4c21669cb)
 - Bug 1138123 - remove xpcom/sample/ as a bygone relic (2a4e33835)
 - cleanup MOZ_THROW_EXPORT inspired from current FireFox removing the MOZALLOC_EXPORT hack (534f81737)
 - Bug 868814 - Fold mozalloc library into mozglue. (324250a8c)
 - Bug 1119482, part 1 - Use CycleCollectedJSRuntime::Get() in the various CC wrapper methods. (3c8638c57)
 - Bug 1119482, part 2 - Move HoldDropJSObjects.h from xpcom/glue to xpcom/base. (c8ef6be30)
 - Bug 1119482, part 3 - Move the Hold and DropJSObjects implementations to a new HoldDropJSObjects.cpp file. (8a128cabd)
 - Bug 1119482, part 4 - Move IsJSHolder into HoldDropJSObjects. (154720b0d)
 - Bug 1141660 - Fix bustage from bug 868814 with --disable-replace-malloc (7f74490b2)
 - Followup for bug 868814 - replace non-obvious #if with simpler alternative. (2a1520452)
 - Bug 1132771 - Add a test for reading all moz.build files in filesystem traversal mode; (49dcae4ea)
 - Bug 1132771 - Support and test for reading without a config object; (b5fa44ed3)
 - Bug 1132771 - API to return moz.build files relevant for a set of paths; (5a53e692a)
 - Bug 1134072 - Remove support for post-eval sandbox callback; (fb63d7eda)
 - Bug 1132771 - Implement strongly typed named tuples; (7acf71487)
 - Bug 1135984 - Avoid setting an empty GYP_DIRS in contexts when reading it. (fceaf9f93)
 - Bug 1134072 - Support for sub-contexts; r=glandium (41a0c2197)
 - Bug 1136456 - Remove leftovers from TIERS support in mozbuild.frontend.reader. (4d5180e25)
 - Bug 1132771 - Pass special types down to sandboxes via metadata; (5126bd8a6)
 - Bug 1132771 - Support reading relevant moz.build files; r=glandium (6f9d6107c)
 - Bug 1132771 - Add Files to moz.build with ability to define Bugzilla component; r=glandium (d5416a6cc)
 - Bug 1132771 - Implement file-info mach command; r=glandium (64b7f8fad)
 - Bug 1132771 - Define some bug components; r=glandium (e4d2b4645)
 - Bug 1139050 - Add moz.build BUG_COMPONENT metadata for xpcom/. (ea30ac906)
 - Bug 1139050, part 2 - Move nsAlgorithm.h to xpcom/base. (21abdde35)
 - Bug 1134920 - Use moz_xmalloc/moz_xrealloc/free instead of nsMemory:Alloc/Realloc/Free. (5a00f0487)
 - Bug 1134920 - Remove nsMemory::Alloc/Realloc/Free. (514d8e8eb)
 - Bug 1120308 - tcp control channel for presentation api. (f3ee09a89)
 - Bug 1125698 - Add ExpandErrorArguments() varargs helper function and remove uninitialized `dummy` va_list variable. (f9fdcd1db)
 - Bug 1101627 - Add touch action regions. (6e86516f3)
 - Bug 1092102 - Implement a WorkerDebuggerGlobalScope (4b3195921)
 - Bug 1036967 - Introduce ScaleFactors2D. (2a80be7d6)
 - Bug 1071018 - Work around an assertion (will be fixed properly in bug 1036967). (3f62cfa03)
 - Bug 1023190 - Fix extra horizontal line when draw background image with repeat-x mode (5ab11f642)
 - Bug 1135992 - Fix non-unified build failed in nsLayoutUtils.cpp. (8f8fcace8)
 - Bug 1133492 - Extract some of nsPresShell into a separate TouchManager class. (9ac347878)
 - Bug 1133492 - Extract some of nsPresShell into a separate TouchManager class. (37181a8a3)
 - Bug 1122094 - Remove some unnecessary code. (6c3b1abe2)
 - Don't async scroll overflowed single-line text boxes in APZ. (bug 1126090 part 6) (435d9d186) (365b9b17b)
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - revert PaleMoon HSCROLL (077a87aed)
 - If APZ is enabled, do not handle wheel-event scrolling in layout. (bug 1126090 part 1) (8c0ba79d6)
 - Factor out how APZ-aware events are dispatched from widgets. (bug 1126090 part 2) (fb6b7e57b)
 - Events synthesized in the child process must be propagated back to the parent. (bug 1126090 part 3) (5a4c9439e)
 - Translate coordinates in events synthesized from the child process. (bug 1126090 part 4) (5148f7fc2)
 - Wait for all paints to flush before synthesizing scroll events. (bug 1126090 part 5) (b99a19995)
 - Don't try to async scroll frames that have less than one pixel of scrollability. (bug 1126090 part 7) (475ffa090) (30bc5e7c6)
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - Bug 1148903 - Allow control characters to be rendered by user fonts. (679bff6bf)
 - initialize webp with different mode depending on endianness (part 2) (cf2429214) (53ea38ac7)
- import change from rmottola/Arctic-Fox:
 - Bug 914666 - Exclude the frame borders from the composition bounds. (7fd2f59c1)
 - Bug 1137232 - Fix dumping of client layers so it doesn't get truncated. (926eb6c57)
 - bug 1127794 - With remote content calculate and store plugin geometry updates prior to the end of the shadow layer transaction. (c40120d79) (b73126108)

* Notice: the changelog above may not always applicable to XULRunner code which K-Meleon uses.

A goanna3 source tree that has kmeleon adaption patch applied is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/palemoon27/tree/kmeleon76

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3 minutes ago, theelf said:

Hi, im using mypal ver 28.5.0 64bits,  this website crash the browser

https://ctrl-alt-rees.com/2019-01-26-nintendo-famicom-composite-video-output-mod.htm

Can someone test? thanks

you may need to open an issue here: https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal/issues

since my source codes are somewhat different from Feodor2's.

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Found this on reddit for those who dislike as much as me the new Google search when javascript is disabled. Just change the user string to this to get the old one back : 

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:3.0) Firefox/3.0

Works good in UXP (for now) and also tested in 60esr.

Added as a separate override for google and all seems well so far:

general.useragent.override.google.com

 

 

 

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As usual, my browser installer will now install the latest builds... the new version with firefox45 and UOC patch support IS coming soon, I promise. I've just been a bit busy lately.

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18 hours ago, Mcinwwl said:

@Sampei.Nihira. Just. Please. When. You. Paste. Some. Link. Give. At least. A brief. Description. What. It. Leads. To. Period.

I'm not the first person on the board to as you for this.

I promise that I will try to do what you suggest.

It is not always possible to do what is right for others.

 

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1 hour ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

It is not always possible to do what is right for others. 

In this case - writing one-line summary - it was ;) I hope for the better future. peace!

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On 5/31/2019 at 10:13 PM, DanR20 said:

(See 'DanR20' Message above) --> Added as a separate override for google and all seems well so far:
general.useragent.override.google.com

https://legacycollector.org/firefox-addons/59/index.html
Using here the (LEGACY) Add-On (Extension) --> User-Agent-Switcher-0.7.3.1-signed.1-signed.xpi

The following applies to NEW MOON Browser (RT).
In order for the above LEGACY Add-On (Extension) to work, the following change
in 'about:config' needs to be done. Find the ENTRY below:

general.useragent.override.google.com

It has a (string) VALUE that is there, delete ('blank out') that VALUE (UserAgent).
You can leave the ENTRY in place with the 'blank out' VALUE there.
After doing that, THEN using the 'User Agent Switcher' will properly affect GOOGLE,
in terms of the OLD versus NEW FORMAT for GOOGLE (say 5.0 = Old , 60.9 = New).
The DEFAULT will now be the OLD FORMAT for GOOGLE. Hope that seems clear.
So, even if you do NOT install the 'User Agent Switcher' Add-On, to 'blank out'
the VALUE as described, will define OLD FORMAT for GOOGLE as permanent DEFAULT.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-fork-targetting-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1164249
Add 'coding' for RT BNAV Browser Add-Ons if needed (Extensions, RT BNAV uses LEGACY only)

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@roytam1 -- @VistaLover -- @Mathwiz <--

http://www.palemoon.org/unofficial.shtml

I was looking at the (URL) above 'SHTML' that displays after a NEW MOON upgrade.

The words (graphically) "Pale Moon" is prominently displayed at the 'right' top.
I would replace that with "NEW MOON" instead.

I would also say instead -->
"You have successfully installed or upgraded the NEW MOON web browser."

Also, I would say instead -->
"This NEW MOON version 'Fork' of Pale Moon that you have installed is not an official release.
It is configured differently by RT (The Magnificent) to work with Windows XP OS too.
Those who wish to visit 'The Cult of RT' for support can do so at MSFN.org (clickable URL)."

Hopefully, it is clear that I am intending a bit of amusement with some of the wording above.

Also, at the bottom, there are clickable URLs for MOONCHILD PRODUCTIONS, PALEMOON.ORG,
and I would replace those with maybe some RT (The Magnificent) URLs instead.

So, here, I only care for feedback from RT, VistaLover, and Mathwhiz, on this suggestion.
WHATEVER they might think, decide, and RT does it (including ignore me), is FINE with me.
A certain 'MAT' person came to mind for me, with regard to this suggestion.

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