phaolo Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Hello, does anyone know anything sure about these technologies? 1- Trusted ComputingIt seemed scary since its origin, but any real news about it have been scarce.The few sites about it vanished in smoke (*tinfoil hat*), but a video survived: Lafkon TC is currently supported in various mobos and cpus, usually non K (eg: i5-6600 vs i5-6600K) 2- Software Guard ExtensionsI've read that this SGE will be in every Skylake (except early models).Some concerns about it: SGX, the good, the bad and the downright ugly -- I'm quite worried as these technologies seem potentially bad.Could they allow hidden DRM, undetectable spyware or even enable software\file deletion by companies\governments? (but let's not talk about Win10.. sigh) Edited November 28, 2015 by phaolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrofLuigi Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) First time I heard about SGX. It sounds like Microsoft's wet dream (Windows SmartScreen filter on steroids), or "use only trusted programs by us, not by you", possibly "pay pay program start" and even running the whole OS inside those "enclaves" so the users can't touch anything. And the biggest enclave is reserved for telemetry. Edited November 28, 2015 by GrofLuigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaolo Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) It sounds like Microsoft's wet dream (Windows SmartScreen filter on steroids), or "use only trusted programs by us, not by you", possibly "pay program start" and even running the whole OS inside those "enclaves" so the users can't touch anything. And the biggest enclave is reserved for telemetry.The horror! Btw, I'm wondering if I could still disable them in the BIOS or be safe with an old Win7. Edited November 29, 2015 by phaolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaolo Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) BUMP Doesn't anyone have a Skylake here?Can someone check the BIOS? Edited November 30, 2015 by phaolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaolo Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Here I received an answer.Hopefully it's correct Edited December 6, 2015 by phaolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Hopefully it's correct You should see the half full glass, you buy a Skylake and you have no easy way to know if the actual specimen in your hands has (or has not) SGX, this could become a nice game for betting....http://www.anandtech.com/show/9687/software-guard-extensions-on-specific-skylake-cpus-only However, JFYI:https://t.co/1bzuFxBJtZ jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsenellenelvian Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 The glass is simply twice as big as it needs to be. ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaolo Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 this could become a nice game for betting....http://www.anandtech.com/show/9687/software-guard-extensions-on-specific-skylake-cpus-only However, JFYI:https://t.co/1bzuFxBJtZFingers crossed.. Anyway, I'm going to use Win7, remember the GGK thread ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Anyway, I'm going to use Win7, remember the GGK thread ; ) Well, if you still have your tinfoil hat on , what makes you think that they couldn't deliver SGX kernel support to 7 through Windows Update? jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaolo Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Well, if you still have your tinfoil hat on , what makes you think that they couldn't deliver SGX kernel support to 7 through Windows Update? I'm simply going to turn Win Update off.I'll just manually install\slipstream what doesn't seem evil (like all that telemetry,Win10 crap). Edited December 6, 2015 by phaolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaolo Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) You should see the half full glass, you buy a Skylake and you have no easy way to know if the actual specimen in your hands has (or has not) SGX, this could become a nice game for bettingWell, it seems that I've received a SR2BV model, so.. no SGX!Hopefully I've avoided a crappy feature and not something great ' Now I'll have to deal with BIOS options (update done), then OS image + setup. Do you have any advice about some important BIOS settings? Edited December 19, 2015 by phaolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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